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I think it's conviction that you might be feeling, Erika. And I put the warning in the title just for those who are not interested or don't want to read it.

What, exactly is so offensive about this one, anyway? And if it seems like I offend everyone, why do they keep reading? I generally skip the subjects I'm not interested in. emoticon


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My spelling is terrible and of course I meant Ark

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My eldest sister did a day tour of Paris while she was visiting Amsterdam with her son and he was away doing business for the day. This was about 6months before she died. When she was in Hospice she said that it was the most wonderful thing to do and to see Paris even though she knew she was dying was a highlight of her life.


To get back to what Erika said.
Mel I am really a bit sick of coming here every evening and early morning to find nothing other than your pulpit and proselytising.
Lesa and Rick asked me to post origin stories from my mythology book for us to discuss to see the similarities between those and the origins in Genesis. That I was prepared to do that was not an indication that I was any more willing to discuss your particular brand of religion with you any more than I was when I told you to leave my boards. So I'm walking away from your preaching now. I am not interested in anything you have to say, if the rest of the group want to engage you very well, they have that choice but as far as I am concerned, if a thread has your name as the originator., I will ignore it because you do not post anything interesting except to quote huge pieces of the Bible and nothing else, so maybe the rest of the gang want to play with you ,I don't and I'm not wasting anymore of my bandwidth on your rubbish.
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Please heed our plea DO NOT PREACH. I like most here are getting fed up andhave stated so on the topic I started.

We all either have strong or no beliefs but we do not force it on others and I would like the same respect.

Now from what I can see, I have not had preasure of any kind from either James nor Pastor Rick. They have faith but they also have respect for others

Why are YOU not like them?

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Proof that God Exists


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Speaking of Paris, if you have not gone but can do, you will love m been there twice myself emoticon
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Here’s absolute proof that God exists, without using the Bible or faith.

Are you ready? When you look at a building, how do you know that there was a builder? You can't see him, hear him, touch him, or smell him. The building is absolute, scientific, 100% evidence there was a builder. You cannot have a building without a builder. You don't need faith to believe in a builder, all you need is eyes that can see and a brain that works.
 
The same deep, rich, scientific intellectual principle works with paintings and painters. When I look at a painting, how can I know that there was a painter? I can't see him, hear him, touch him, or smell him. Well, the painting is absolute, scientific, 100% evidence there was a painter. You cannot have a painting without a painter. Paintings don't happen by themselves. You don't need faith to believe in a painter, all you need is eyes that can see and a brain that works.

And exactly the same principle applies with God. Just as I don't need faith to believe in a builder because I have a building as evidence, I don't need faith to believe in a Creator, because I have creation as evidence. Simple.
 
Unless you want to go with this theory:
Billions and billions of years ago, there was a big bang, caused by … something. Anyway, out of this big bang, somehow order was produced, and it rained and rained on this rock that came out of the big bang. Over time, a bubbly sweet brown liquid formed on the rock. After a while, it formed itself into a cylinder shape, and the outside hardened into an aluminum shell. A tab for opening appeared on the top, and out of the rain, red and white paint fell, forming the words, “Coca-Cola” and “12 fluid ounces” on the side of the can. And that’s how the first Coke was made. Ridiculous theory, isn’t it?

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So, back to the original post - you woud never consider that my car just "evolved" by itself from nothing. Why would you think that a living thing, much more complex than a car could possibly not be created?
Do you really think the Coke theory sounds better?




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Are living things really "much more complex"? As whole admitably yes, but they are build from relatively simple unics (cells) that acts by equally simple laws of physics, mathematics and biology. Complexity of life is an illusion; snowflakes are complex, not to mention the variations between all of them, but that doesn't make them created, nor an avalanche consisting of them.

Car has numerous complex structures that are found nowhere in nature, or even rather simple ones like wheel.

And like car, we know Coke was created. We even know who created it.
With world on the other hand, even if we choose to believe in the details that suggest it was created, there is no knowledge on what or who would've created it.


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I agree with what you say Kaunisto.
How anyone who accepts that inanimate things take a really long time to design, develop and finally produce, at the same time believe that things that have independent life and complex physical structures were created by the will of something invisible is totally beyond me. But I won't argue this point. If people want to believe this I'm very happy for them to do so - faith is a wonderful cop-out for lack of responsibility.
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snowflakes are complex,

Not so much. They don't even breathe!
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we know Coke was created. We even know who created it.

And yet, compared to living things, it is so simple. Why in the world would the simple things be created, and more complex things just happen by themselves? That kind of logic makes sense to you?
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With world on the other hand, even if we choose to believe in the details that suggest it was created, there is no knowledge on what or who would've created it.

Ah, baby steps. It is obvious that it was created, isn't it?
 
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If people want to believe this I'm very happy for them to do so

Well thanks, Morwen, I'm glad I have your approval for my beliefs. emoticon
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- faith is a wonderful cop-out for lack of responsibility.

Ah, but your little jab suggests that you might not be all that "happy" for us.

But let's see if there's anything to it. How do you see Christians as "copping out" for their "lack of responsibility?"
I would suggest that you've really just jabbed your own belief system, feeling that you'll never be held accountable to God on the day of judgment. The Bible teaches that we'll all be held accountable - for every action and thought, we Christians believe we will be held responsible.
But if you're correct, and we're all just highly evolved animals, there is no responsibility whatsoever.
This seems contradictory, can you explain how your belief system makes any sense at all?

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