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If the sanctity of life is so important, I wonder about the happenings in Zimbabwe, and the sanctity of life there about which nobody seems to care a continental hoot.
Life is cheap and unworthy and uncared for all over the world ... just a comment apropos of nothing other than a quick thought flashing into my head right now!



The 'sanctity of life' is only important when the moral majority has something to gain from protecting it. I haven't seen the Christian Churches in the west rushing into Zimbabwe to do something about the fact that people there and in other parts of Africa are being murdered, tortured etc. I also don't notice the Christian Churches raising loud voices against the torture of prisoners at Gitmo and in other places associated with the Iraq War. If all human life is sacred, then why are the lives of these people being protected. Because there is nothing to be gained from protecting them is the easy answer.
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In a nutshell Mo!
I heard somewhere ages ago that Bishop Tutu was condemning what is happening there, but words are cheap.
The ooh and ah about it and throw up their hands in horror and then turn their backs on what's going on, seeming to think that by making a feeble protest and then distancing themselves from it all, they're okay Jack.
I get the impression lately that if there isn't anything in it for them, they aren't interested in doing anything practical - and praying doesn't seem to be helping at all.
One of the reasons I'm turning away from organised religion more and more ...


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I'm glad you agree Petal. It is the truth. If all the horror of Africa was happening in an American state, ie. the governor of a state refused to give up his governorship because he simply didn't want to, the federal police would be there to arrest him and throw him in jail. If he had been found to have been sending his henchmen to murder his opponents or to somehow swing the vote so that he could stay for a second term, his ass would be in jail so fast that there would be a tornado from the speed of it.
But a dictator in Africa does it, and the rest of the world just shakes its head and says, 'someone ought to throw that bastard in jail' but do the Churches or the do-gooders of the world actually do something, of course not, it's Africa, they kill each other.
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If the sanctity of life is so important, I wonder about the happenings in Zimbabwe, and the sanctity of life there about which nobody seems to care a continental hoot.
Life is cheap and unworthy and uncared for all over the world ... just a comment apropos of nothing other than a quick thought flashing into my head right now!



The 'sanctity of life' is only important when the moral majority has something to gain from protecting it. I haven't seen the Christian Churches in the west rushing into Zimbabwe to do something about the fact that people there and in other parts of Africa are being murdered, tortured etc....

But Christian churches are trying to help in Zimbabwe Mo. The media buries the effort on page 1000 in tiny print (minor exaggeration but close to true).

Here are some links:

]From the UK and Ireland
Canada
]From Great Britain
]From the USA
]From the USA
the USA

I could list my own Church in this but the bottom line is that what little help that Zimbabwe receives comes from Christian charities around the world. Where is the relief from the UN? They have it on hold because they don't like the countries politics!

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I see what you're saying there Rick, and I apologise if I sound like I'm belittling the efforts of the churches to help.
I agree that the UN should be raising it's voice but of course there isn't any oil in Zimbabwe, if there was the 'Coalition of the Willing' would've been there like a flash.

]CNN ran this special report about how little the west really cares about these people.
It's called "Scream Bloody Murder". I'm sure the people of Zim appreciate the help they are getting from the churches but that the media doesn't bother to mention.

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Further on this subject, I saw a video clip on TV tonight about the Methodist Church in Johannesburg and how the Bishop is running a shelter for displaced people from Zimbabwe with some of congregation running a school for the children. It's amazing that the church is doing so much for these people yet the government of both our country and their own is prepared to let them starve or die of cholera.
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Further on the sanctity of life, we've been talking about Alzheimers Disease on Anything Goes and Political Forum.
I would imagine that if all life is sacred then if you had to make a decision about assisted suicide for a parent or family member who had this disease, the answer would be an emphatic 'no', no matter how awful the quality of life of the person is?
Or do you simply not think about it?
Anyone?

(Rick I need a 'dunno' or a 'question' smiley here.
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Life is given for a reason and to take it just because we are uncomfortable or hurting would be wrong from my point of view. (sorry for the short answer this time but I am taking a small break after this past weekends marathon session)

Looking for the smilies though...

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There is one, I missed it last night.

I understand what you are saying but if there is no life, if the front lobe is gone and only the breathing function is left, it is not cruel to force a feeding tube down the person's throat and force feed them to keep them alive when there is nothing there anymore.
The Catholics believe that the last rites must be given when someone is dying and that a deathbed 'confession' is enough to ensure entry into heaven. But what happens when the person has Alzheimers and the brain is slowly losing all cognitive function? Is this person still capable of sinning? And at what point does the person cease to exist if they are being kept alive artificially.
And making someone 'die naturally' i.e. from starvation with all the horrible things that happen to someone dying of starvation, convulsions etc,, is that not far more cruel and inhuman than giving them a morphine overdose? We don't force murderers - serial killers and so on - to starve to death, we give them some lethal injections, yet we force Alheimers sufferers, sometimes people who have lead exemplary lives to die in this truly horrible way. All because of respect for 'the sanctity of life'.
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Forgive me for going back a few threads...
Our church is doing outreach work into all parts of Africa. Nobody knows because the media doesn't report on it. We support various churches and even families in Zimbabwe and right up to Zanzibar.
Teams of us go up every month into Zim, Tanzania, Kenya, Zanzibar, Mozambique etc... We do teaching, help build houses and churches and we teach the people practical skills that will help them to help themselves.
We feed and house many displaced Zimbabweans who are in Jo'burg as well.

MO it is difficult to make a huge impact. Our voices are small and we do what we can. Anyway we don't need everyone to know what we are doing because doing the right thing doesn't need recognition. We do it because we love God and his people. In a nutshell life is sacred and we condemn what's happening when people are dying to satisfy the greed of people in power.

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