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Ah, a wedding. Why would you interrupt someone's wedding like that? To cause some sort of scene to the extent of being escorted out - this was a big day for a bride and groom, not about you and your beliefs. I still find it extremely rude to do such a thing.
Nowhere does the Bible say that women are expected to walk a step behind a man, and the whole "submission" thing is so often misused. But that could be a whole new subject.

Now, unto the fossils stuff. Here's why I'm not real impressed with "Ida."
It seems that there is the possibility of tampering - this thing was found years before it was unveiled.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darwinius
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Analysis by Jens Franzen of the Natural History Museum of Basel, Switzerland revealed the mixed actual and faked nature of this slab.



http://www.livescience.com/culture/090520-ida-fossil-hype.html
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"It's not a missing link, it's not even a terribly close relative to monkeys, apes and humans, which is the point they're trying to make," said Chris Beard, a curator of vertebrate paleontology at the Carnegie Museum of Natural History in Pittsburgh.



http://www.icr.org/article/ida-fossil-clever-campaign-for-lackluster/
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So, Ida is destined to join the ranks of over a century of fossil fizzles, including Neandertal (human), Ramapithecus (orangutan), and Homo habilis (not a real taxon)--not to mention Archaeopteryx (bird), Archaeoraptor (a fake), Pakicetus (land mammal fragments), and many others. Since each evolutionary "link" turns out to be false, what does that say about the whole theory?



The missing link is still missing. In fact, the entire chain is missing, because it has never existed in the first place.



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Is Atheist Central really his?


Yep, if this is the place where you were.

http://raycomfortfood.blogspot.com/

More atheists hang out there than Christians, hence the name change to "Atheist Central."


I can't say the guy doesn't have a sense of humor. emoticon

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Which brings me to a question. Why such strong opposition to something that they claim that they don't even believe in?
Isn't that a little insane? Image


It's impossible to oppose something we don't believe in. We don't believe in "God," nor do we oppose this entity that doesn't seem to exist.

Would you be opposed to Muslims taking over the United States and basing our laws on Islam? I won't even go to the extreme with stoning, but stick with a more liberal rule. What if we had a law that says women have to keep our faces covered in public, or be fined for indecency? What if women aren't allowed to go out in public without our husband or male family member? What if they changed our pledge to say, "One Nation, under Allah," and started putting, "In Allah We Trust" on all our money? If Muslims ruled our country and based our laws on their religion, would you not try to stop that?

There are other things I oppose about organized religion, but the point is that it's the religion we oppose, not some seemingly nonexistant entity.

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monkeys and humans are descended from the same ancestor,

Now, THERE'S some rubbish! Image



Would you care to back that up with evidence? emoticon

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Could it be that the similarities come from a common Creator and common environment rather than a common ancestor?


Common creator? No. Common environment? You're getting warmer. emoticon

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The missing link is still missing.


You say that as though there is only supposed to be one link between the first life form and 21st century humans! emoticon

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it's the religion we oppose, not some seemingly nonexistant entity.

Ah, I see.
Yes, I would oppose Islam. Do you oppose that one as strongly as Christianity? It's much more dangerous to oppose. We still don't kill you for not believing.
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Would you care to back that up with evidence?

There's no evidence FOR it. I've got as much proof as you've got that God doesn't exist.
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You say that as though there is only supposed to be one link between the first life form and 21st century humans!

That's why I said the whole chain was missing. You'd think they could find just one....


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We still don't kill you for not believing.


But you did until about 500 years ago! Islam is 600 years behind Christianity, in about 500 years or so, they'll have evolved to a more moderate stance, just like you did.

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That's why I said the whole chain was missing. You'd think they could find just one....



A little like expecting people to believe in a deity they can't see. At least we have a plethora of scientific evidence of the reality of evolution and the development of the universe. There isn't even the slightest evidence of the truth of a whole book of theology (except in the book itself) yet you blindly accept that.
Let me give you an analogy. You read a work of fiction, in the work of fiction, the author writes the story in the first person and is therefore the eye-witness to the events in the book, and the book is all about the history of the American people, but it is completely different to what you know to be true, would you firstly, accept that the person who tells the story is real? And secondly, would you accept the history as written in the story as the truth, against the absolute proof you have from the real history as recorded over the past 230 years of the USA's existence as an independent state? Of course not. The only truth you can accept is that someone wrote the book and was the original author, even if you don't know his/her name, you do know that the book was written.

Yet millions of people blindly accept the book that was written 5,000 years after the stories were told by people who didn't have any written history to draw on except what had been handed down by word of mouth or translated from ancient versions of their language and expect the rest of us to also blindly accept it in the face of scientific evidence to the contrary. The only truth about the bible is that someone, somewhere, wrote it down, who did it? We don't know.
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The only truth about the bible is that someone, somewhere, wrote it down, who did it? We don't know.

Better yet, who edited it?

When Bible was put together first in... 3rd century? Whenever, there were people who said "this book is in and that book is out" and I find it hard to believe that whatever comity was on the job was somehow guided by God to choose the parts He liked.

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Yes, apart from verifying some of the theories expressed, there were a lot of other books that not only were simply ignored at the time it was put together but also since the discovery of the texts.
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I'm of the same thinking as Kaunisto....I want to know who edited it, and if every single "human" was perfect in the knowledge of translations....odds are rather high for at least some HUMAN mistakes...


And I also think as MEL:
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But don't you consider it ALL "rubbish"? What were you doing in a church anyway?
You would have to admit that was a bit tactless and simply rude.


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Ah, a wedding. Why would you interrupt someone's wedding like that? To cause some sort of scene to the extent of being escorted out - this was a big day for a bride and groom, not about you and your beliefs. I still find it extremely rude to do such a thing.



As he said, tactless and rude.
 I could easily have said, out loud at my BIL Funeral last month that the whole thing was rubbish, it was more like a skit, a play and that all the people were doing was regurgitating what was asked of them....they had no feeling.
But that would have been disrespectful, and incredibly rude. That moment in time, is simply not about anything but those intimately involved.

And says one thing about you MO....you love to argue, as much as MEL or Bummee or ME....simply can't keep that tongue quiet, even at someones wedding.....at least I can stay quiet out of respect, whether I agree or not, pretty sure even Mel and Bummee could be civil within the confines of another persons grief or celebration. emoticon

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But you did until about 500 years ago! Islam is 600 years behind Christianity, in about 500 years or so, they'll have evolved to a more moderate stance, just like you did.

My Bible doesn't teach that. And if you're referring to the Catholics and their crusades, they also killed a lot of Christians who didn't agree with them. I don't know what fruit of the spirit that one is, but it doesn' match up to the list found in Galatians, not to mention the 6th Commandment. What does Islam have that's similar?

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A little like expecting people to believe in a deity they can't see. At least we have a plethora of scientific evidence of the reality of evolution and the development of the universe.

No you don't.
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There isn't even the slightest evidence of the truth of a whole book of theology (except in the book itself) yet you blindly accept that.

And you blindly accept that everything came from nothing, which is quite unscientific.

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Let me give you an analogy. You read a work of fiction, in the work of fiction, the author writes the story in the first person and is therefore the eye-witness to the events in the book, and the book is all about the history of the American people, but it is completely different to what you know to be true, would you firstly, accept that the person who tells the story is real?

Of course not. What do you "know" to be true?
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And secondly, would you accept the history as written in the story as the truth, against the absolute proof you have from the real history as recorded over the past 230 years of the USA's existence as an independent state?

Of course not, but where is your "absolute" proof?
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The only truth you can accept is that someone wrote the book and was the original author, even if you don't know his/her name, you do know that the book was written.

You mean it didn't just evolve from nothing? There goes that theory.

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Yet millions of people blindly accept the book that was written 5,000 years after the stories were told by people who didn't have any written history to draw on except what had been handed down by word of mouth or translated from ancient versions of their language and expect the rest of us to also blindly accept it in the face of scientific evidence to the contrary.

Wow, what rubbish!
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The only truth about the bible is that someone, somewhere, wrote it down, who did it? We don't know.

I do.

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I'm of the same thinking as Kaunisto....I want to know who edited it, and if every single "human" was perfect in the knowledge of translations....odds are rather high for at least some HUMAN mistakes...


I think I posted something over here on the accuracy of the Bible, and got griped at for copy and pasting. I'll see if I can find it. If not, I'll link you to another spot where I know it is.
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As he said, tactless and rude.

I don't mean to sound condemning, but there is a time and place for everything. The Bible tells us that! emoticon
Try the Book of Ecclesiastes.



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Queeny, just to close to the door on my interruption of the wedding, the couple got divorced and she want excommunicated from the church - she heard what I said and questioned the doctrine, albeit a year or two later. But nevertheless, my interruption preventing the submission of one woman. It only takes for people to remain silent in the face of abuse, for the whole of womenkind to once more become slaves. If we don't speak out against the slavery of women who are forced to submit to men as they are in the ME, it will get worse, not better. When Islam takes a hold in America, as it has done in Europe and when women in burqas are are obvious on the streets of small American towns as they are in Europe, you'll know what I mean. We have to stop it and if it means being 'rude' so be it. After all a wedding ceremony is merely the face of the commitment people are making.
And I don't think my personal feelings were involved at all. I was merely speaking out because the rest of the women in the congregation were too afraid to do so.
Personally, I might have completely different feelings about the roles we play we our personal relationships. I don't express those anymore than I would dream of commenting on the personality of another poster. You know from more than a year of meeting me on these boards that I try really hard to keep my personal life out of the discussion.


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My Bible doesn't teach that. And if you're referring to the Catholics and their crusades, they also killed a lot of Christians who didn't agree with them. I don't know what fruit of the spirit that one is, but it doesn' match up to the list found in Galatians, not to mention the 6th Commandment. What does Islam have that's similar?


I'm not referring to the Crusades, I'm referring to the fact that the RCC, which is a Christian religion whether anyone wants to admit it or not, ruled Christianity for over 1,000 years and in that time, violently persecuted everyone who wasn't Christian, and specifically who didn't abide by the rules as laid down by them. If you read history between 500CE and 1500CE you will know that before the Reformation, if you were a Christian, you were also RC. It was the breakaway begun in the 16th century that caused movements like the one you subscribe to to emerge. There was no other Christian movement allowed in the known world until people like Luther broke the barriers.

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And you blindly accept that everything came from nothing, which is quite unscientific.


Nothing comes from nothing. Everything came from the eruption that created the universe as we know it. And it was not a deity. Try reading some science before commenting on it. You can't create anything from nothing and space is not empty.

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Of course not. What do you "know" to be true?


That American did win the war against England and as a result became an independent state. How do I know this, because real eye-witnesses wrote it down.
  
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]Of course not, but where is your "absolute" proof?{/quote]
See my comment above.

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You mean it didn't just evolve from nothing? There goes that theory.


That's just snide.

And in response to my assertion that millions of people believe the bible!
 

Wow, what rubbish!


Are you denying that Christianity is the second highest religious movement in the world? Are you saying that millions of people don't believe in the bible?

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I do


You know who wrote the bible? Do you have independent sources. If so please tell us where to find them, other than in the book itself?

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As he said, tactless and rude.

I don't mean to sound condemning, but there is a time and place for everything. The Bible tells us that! emoticon
Try the Book of Ecclesiastes.



I do not believe that there is either the time or the place for everything. If you don't take opportunities when they present themselves, you lose out. If you wait for the appropriate time to speak out or only do it in appropriate places, you might just find yourself being stoned in public one day for speaking out against the teachings of Islam. It is because people spoke out of place and out of time against the violence of the RCC that we have the freedom that we have today. It is because people spoke out agains the injustices of slavery and segregation that people are free today. It is because people were prepared to spend 27 years in jail rather than carry a passbook and call a man with a pale skin 'baas' that we have the Constitution that we have in SA today. Speaking out is what the people who change the world do, they don't wait for the 'appropriate time and place'.

And no, Queeny, I don't like to argue, i do like friendly debate but I will respond to angry attacks with equal anger and I will speak out against oppression, discrimination, hate speech, bullying, disenfranchisement, unfairness. I prefer to have friendly quiet discussion and I'll talk to anyone about any subject they choose to introduce. If I don't know something I'll research it so that my responses are informed ones. But I will also not back down from a personal attack.
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