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I'm not saying that it ruled over the convictions of the people who didn't share the faith but if people didn't attend the services and refused the administrations of the priests, they were executed, even if they lived in caves.
When the Puritans took over they made church attendance even more stringent, if that was at all possible. If your didn't attend church, you were ostracised and accused of witchcraft.
There is still a hangover of this today, and especially among the English-speaking people of the world.
People who have their roots in Britain still insist that the church has to be part of your life. You cannot possibly raise a family and so on without the church being involved. People like me ar frowned on by our societies because we refuse to go to church or have our children baptised or our marriages sanctioned by religion or to have funerals.
When I refused to have a funeral for my mother, fully in line with her wishes, I was pushed aside by my family to a point that is still evident today, over 6 years later. It was a disgrace, they said, that I didn't send her off in an expensive coffin with showers of flowers and a huge cortege to the grave which is a hour's drive away from where she was living.
Instead I had her cremated and took the ashed to my dad's grave myself. I asked the family if they'd like to be there to witness the burial of her ashes next to my dad and they came, but not without bibles and sermons ready to be delivered. I pre-empted those with a homily of my own but the most devout members of the family insisted on praying over her, despite my telling them that she had instructed otherwise, and they walked away, not with tears for her loss but with vitriol against me for the 'poor excuse for a funeral' that I gave her.
This is typical of the mindset that was established by the enforced attendance at services of the post-Catholic era.
I'm not saying that there were sections of the public who didn't revolt again the RCC, I am saying that as far as the RCC was concerned, you either conformed or died.
And the Puritans who followed them compounded the culture by burning non-attendees as witches.
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When my brother-in-law died it was his wish to not have any form of funeral whatsoever, and my darling old uncle was of exactly the same mindset. The wishes of the main person involved should most definitely be carried out in my opinion ... if I went against those wishes, I would feel terribly guilty, for a start - and anyway it isn't right for other family members to simply ride roughshod over those feelings and do what they want to do instead - it's morally wrong, and they ought to feel as guilty instead of patting themselves on the back for being hypocritical!

My b-i-l and my uncle both felt that they had not been religious all their lives, and so why should they suddenly be given the whole nine yards simply because they were dead - to make the family feel good about themselves. They both asked for their ashes to be scattered, and this was done with the minimum of fuss and bother, and nobody quibbled. There were a few raised eyebrows from some, but not a word was said - and that's the way it should be.

Edit: Just want to add that both these men were "good people" (!! emoticon emoticon ) and did some wonderful philanthropic things in their lifetimes, simply because they wanted to.

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When my sister died, she knew it was coming so she asked me, in the company of her husband to please not do the whole funeral thing but to spread her ashes in a special place near the Kruger national Park. She specifically said she didn't want "Abide with Me".
When they arranged the funeral, not only did they play that song but they also played the Titanic song, totally spoiling it for me, I can't hear it know without seeing her coffin draped in flowers and a minister saying insincere words around her without any mention of my mother who was there weeping.
However, on the way to the funeral, her husband who'd arranged the whole fiasco, he died as well, so the song and dance was delayed and then a small ceremony without songs or singing or ministers was held later in the week, as she'd asked for and both their ashes were scattered in her special place without anyone being there.
I agree with you. When someone is older, they need to be heard - I will haunt anyone who intones religion over my dead body. Have a party, get drunk laugh at me and no more. Leave my ashes in the pit with all the other ashes and remember me as the old chatterbox that I am.
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Still want to know why not a single one of our loved ones who has passed on has ever "come back" to tell us exactly what happens after death lol!
Because they can't. Because nothing happens.

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In the light of what I've been posting in the other thread, it's very simple, man has only occupied the earth for 1 minute of the universe's 24 hour lifetime (an analogy to put 13.7 billion years into perspective), why should such an insignificant species get special treatment?
Of course there's nothing.
I've got a thread going on Tim Callahan's board about the meaning of life. My feeling is that the only meaning life has is just how meaningful you make your life.
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Still want to know why not a single one of our loved ones who has passed on has ever "come back" to tell us exactly what happens after death lol!
Because they can't. Because nothing happens.

Well, that's a bit of a jump, wouldn't you say? Maybe instead of nothing happens, it's exactly as the Bible states and no one can come back.

Are you familiar with the account of Lazarus and the rich man? There is a great gulf fixed between that no one can cross. Even though the rich man asked that his brothers be warned not to come there, he was told that they had the prophets and the law. If they didn't abide by those, they wouldn't believe even if someone were to rise from the dead.

And guess what? Jesus Christ rose from the dead, and still there are those who will not believe, just as foretold in the Bible.



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I have this sermon about that emoticon

What is the proof they wouldn't believe? Jesus himself is the proof. What is the greatest evidence he really did rise from the dead? (I'll be nice and give you three guesses)...

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We haven't found the body? emoticon

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Nice try and used by more people than I can reasonably count but strike one emoticon

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What is the greatest evidence he really did rise from the dead?

He was seen by many eyewitnesses afterward?
Or that the disciples were willing to die rather than deny Him. People might die for something they believe strongly, but no one would die for what they knew to be a lie, and the disciples would have known.



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