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If you don't believe that crop circles are made by aliens, then do you believe that we've been visited by them and, if so, what is your theory about them? I watched a brilliant TV show yesterday that provoked these questions.
Do you believe in aliens?
Do you believe they've visited us?
Do you believe in Rosewell?
Do you believe n alien abductions?
Do you believe that there is life on other planets?
If not, why not?
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Life, even intelligent life, on other planets seems very probable.

Having been visited by intelligent beings from another planet seems very improbable.

However, improbable doesn't mean impossible. As young as our planet is in relation to the universe, it could be possible that there's life on another planet that is so advanced, they may have found ways to "seek out life and new civilizations" and to travel to different parts of the galaxy or even different galaxies by means that we don't even know are possible yet.

I'm not convinced that we've ever been visited by extraterrestrials, but I would love to meet a peaceful race that is advanced enough in their knowledge to find us and make such a long journey.

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There are a whole lot of reasons why I think that their visiting us is improbable.
1. They would be completely different to us. Having gone through a different evolutionary process to ours (another planet's development would be as different to our own as two plants developing in different climatic condition would be different). So their physical appearance would have to be different. (The writers of Star Trek/Wars figured that one out).
2. They wouldn't have a clue about our languages and customs.
So much for the planting of a plaque on the moon, the only people who will read and understand it will be other English-speaking people in the future, and they would have to be from earth and would know the story anyway. If beings from elsewhere entered our galaxy and landed on the moon, who's to say that they will find that exact spot for one thing and for another that they will even recognise it has having 'writing' on it?
3. The would not have immunity to our diseases. Consider Columbus arriving in the Americas and how they practically decimated the population they found there with smallpox.
One flue virus would kill off any aliens that landed here.
4. They would have to be able to breathe our atmosphere. Even if their air is similar to ours, try travelling from your country to our Highveld to experience how thin the air is up there, or try landing a helicopter on top of Mount Everest and surviving the 'thin' air.
5. If they brought their own breathing apparatus with them, it would have to be in large supplies with an energy source that didn't need renewing to administer it to them and then that atmosphere would become polluted by our pollution. Who, apart from this planet's life can breathe the rubbish we throw into our atmosphere.
6. What would they eat. Imagine explaining to an alien that you kill off other life forms in order to supply your body with energy. Especially if that life form has advanced to the point of being able to create artificial ways of providing its food so that it doesn't have to destroy life in order to live. Man is the only creation that provides for more than his immediate needs when it comes to food and also the only life form that eats more than it needs. Other life forms know when to stop. We don't.
For these reasons, I don't think that we ever have been visited by aliens or that we ever will be. And crop circles, they're just a natural phenomenon caused by air currents in strong winds or something similar.
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Do you believe in aliens? yes, I believe there is "life" on other planets.
Do you believe they've visited us? Yes, I believe many signs show [sign in to see URL] cave drawings below bare some of this evidence out:
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These two examples of rock art are from Toro Muerto,Peru 12-14,000 years old. Notice the beings have some sort of halo or covering over their heads (compare with the Val Camonica photo below). Also, in the right hand picture there is some sort of object left of the main being. Possibly a UFO ? [sign in to see URL] not!

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This cave painting is [sign in to see URL],000 BC and is from Val Camonica, Italy. It appears to depict two beings in protective suits holding strange implements.

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Two images [sign in to see URL] BC from Tassili, Sahara Desert, North Africa. They do not look human do they ? Also notice the disk in the sky in left hand picture.


Do you believe in Rosewell? Not sure about that [sign in to see URL] government was involved, always leaves a bad 'taste' in my mouth..

Do you believe n alien abductions? No

Do you believe that there is life on other planets? yes, not as we know it, but yes, there is life.

If not, why not? N/A

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3. The would not have immunity to our diseases. Consider Columbus arriving in the Americas and how they practically decimated the population they found there with smallpox.
One flue virus would kill off any aliens that landed here.


What if the "Life" were something that was pure energy, or walking molten [sign in to see URL] the "blood" was [sign in to see URL] know NOT what kinds of life there may [sign in to see URL] about how EARTH species of life have evolved to live near Underwater Hydrothermal Vents, with they're toxic [sign in to see URL] life may simply destroy any virus or bacteria it encounters.


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4. They would have to be able to breathe our atmosphere. Even if their air is similar to ours, try travelling from your country to our Highveld to experience how thin the air is up there, or try landing a helicopter on top of Mount Everest and surviving the 'thin' air.


Why? Why do they need to "breath" at [sign in to see URL] own cockroaches don’t breathe through their mouths but rather through openings (called “spiracles”) all over their bodies,...thus using Borax soap will coat the outer shell, suffocating them to death.
But the aliens may have no need to "breathe" as we know [sign in to see URL] would have a suitable apparatus to compensate for the difference.
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5. If they brought their own breathing apparatus with them, it would have to be in large supplies with an energy source that didn't need renewing to administer it to them and then that atmosphere would become polluted by our pollution. Who, apart from this planet's life can breathe the rubbish we throw into our atmosphere.



Perhaps they're apparatus is solar powered or other such available energy sources, and perhaps they use Carbon Dioxide... or again, why do they need to breath "air" at [sign in to see URL] they're "body" if they have one is completely self-sustaining.

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6. What would they eat. Imagine explaining to an alien that you kill off other life forms in order to supply your body with energy. Especially if that life form has advanced to the point of being able to create artificial ways of providing its food so that it doesn't have to destroy life in order to live. Man is the only creation that provides for more than his immediate needs when it comes to food and also the only life form that eats more than it needs. Other life forms know when to stop. We don't.
For these reasons, I don't think that we ever have been visited by aliens or that we ever will be. And crop circles, they're just a natural phenomenon caused by air currents in strong winds or something similar.


Again WHY? Why do you assume that an alien life force would need to "eat" in our sense of the word. Perhaps they absorb they're [sign in to see URL] they are nothing but energy and they're food is the sun's rays...

[sign in to see URL] time someone says' that ALIEN life could not have been here or would not come here, it's based off of the same "parameters" as our life here on Earth is.

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Scientists are able to date cave and other rock art as easily as they are able to date fossils, even without fossils, there is science available now to confirm that there is no scientific evidence of intelligent life ever having visited this planet.

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these artistic representations which were realized over a long period from 10 000 BP (before present time) to the arrival of the first Spanish Conquistadors in the XVIth (16th ) Century, or even beyond that time



Those paintings were done by pre-Columbus hunter-gatherers who were the descendants of the people who crossed from "Russia" through Alaska and who migrated south along the Pacific coast. Although ancient history is not completely able to decipher these first early attempts at recording the stories they told.

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The most ancient sites show a predominance of naturalistic representations of dead or wounded animals. However, a second set dated at 4000 to 5000 years BC eulogizes fertility. This stylistic development, which seems to coincide with the beginnings of animal husbandry in the high upland regions of Peru, appear to symbolize the emergence of pastoralism and the change in man—animal relationships that came along with this practice.

These research studies also brought into relief periods that were distinct in terms of stylistic evolution of carved figures. Whereas the most ancient motifs, (2500-300 BC) essentially reproduced complex figures bearing high symbolic and spiritual content, depicting mythical, often monster-like, animals and supernatural beings, the later carvings characteristically appear in abundance and testify to a simplification of morphological features.



If you look at the art of ancient Peru: ]here, you can see that the drawings on those rocks are merely early depictions of their own style of art. In other words, the people who etched that early graffiti on those rocks were merely attempting to retell the stories of their own life experience and rituals.

I'm not talking about life forms that may or may not arrive on earth along with the meteorites that land here on a regular basis, I'm talking about sentient beings able to construct a space craft able to carry them millions upon millions of miles from outside our own galaxy to land here.
Remember there is no reason to believe that life has, or ever has existed on any of the other planets in our own galaxy, to travel from beyond that, even at the speed of light, would have to involve very complex forms of travel.


]Here's some reading.

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I'm not arguing that it's impossible for other life forms to have made it through the long distances, entry through our atmospheric barriers and to survive in our air or on our food supplies or to be able to withstand our diseases, I'm merely asking for thoughts about why they shouldn't.
My feeling is why would anyone want to come here, and why would they want to go through the rigors of space travel which would have to take a long time even if they were able to travel through black holes and break through time/space?
If they really wanted to bring colonies of their own 'people' here the only reason would have to be that our environment was suitable to them. Which would mean that theirs would also be suitable to us, but not only that, it would also give us a clue as to what to do with our own survivors in the case of our totally messing up this 'earth'.
Just questions I like asking them.
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I've tons of questions that I'd like to ask them, and I hope that I'm alive when they come back... emoticon

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Those are impressive, but so are the pyramids. Sun gods are often depicted with spikes around their head, such as the one I have in ]Illusia's board stats background. This Roman sun god bears a striking resemblance to our Statue of Liberty, don't you think? Those French can really have a sense of humor. emoticon

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This one is certainly odd. It looks like he has a small octopus wrapped around his head, with an eye (an adaptation of the Egyptian Horus myth?) in the sky. Notice how the "disk" looks like the eyes on the human-shaped figure, which is what gives me this impression. Since the figure is so odd-looking, my first thought would be another god, although I would have no idea what kind of god it could be.

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Another sun god. Also note the ring of twelve circles in the head, which tells me the group the artist came from were into astronomy and/or astrology. The ring of 12 seems to depict the moon's 12 cycles, and I wonder if that center circle depicts the earth or the sun. The sun is already represented by the sun god, and we observe the moon's 12 cycles as it revolves around the earth, so I would think the center circle is the earth.

This is what it looks like to me, anyway.

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Again WHY? Why do you assume that an alien life force would need to "eat" in our sense of the word. Perhaps they absorb they're [sign in to see URL] they are nothing but energy and they're food is the sun's rays...


That's an interesting concept. Sci-fi movies and series depict most aliens as something that most closely resembles something that might fit into our animal kingdom. But, what if there are some that are capable of photosynthesis like plants, or some other way that we've never seen in any earth species?

Star Trek did get creative with this concept a couple of times, although the aliens lived in space and not on a planet or moon at all.

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The big question with alien visitors is that they have to come from outside our own galaxy and we know how big that is. So they would have to be able to either travel through time, or figure our a way to use black holes to shorten the distance.

How does 'black hole' travel work?
We all know from mathematics that the shortest distance between two points is a straight line, but in order to travel to even the furthest reaches of our own galaxy would take longer than a normal lifespan, even using light years i.e. travelling at the speed of light.
If you imagine a piece of paper folding over and instead've travelling along the length of the paper, you make a hole through it to get to the other side, that's how it would work to travel through a black hole (the 'empty' space left by the collapse of a star with a really big gravitational pull; if our sun suddenly died, there would be a huge 'black hole' left in its place).
Maybe there are beings out there who've already figured out how to travel through black holes and how to exceed the speed of light, I know that the writers of movies like Star Wars have, but the next question is: why would they come here? Definitely not to make friends, They would only be on a quest to conquer our planet and take it but that would mean that our planet would be compatible with them.
In my opinion, in the same way that we assign human emotions to our pets, and believe that they feel and see things the way that we do, and that we forget that we are only another species of animal, we also assign our own way of seeing things to the beings we imagine coming from outer space.
The whole idea that an animal would evolve to the point of wanting to make a move on the home of another animal with the idea of making friends, is merely assigning our own life view onto an animal that may exist in another galaxy and is totally improbable, to the way my logic works anyway.
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I watched a TV show this morning about the possibility of life similar to ours somewhere inside our own galaxy.
The scientists on the show said that there are only two places where it is possible that carbon-based life might have evolved and those are Titan (Saturn's moon) and Europa (Jupiter's moon) but because of their geology, it would only be the most basic kind of life similar to ours at the beginning of evolution.
They said that it's very probable that, somewhere else in the huge universe, there is life and intelligent life at that.
But they also said what I've been saying, the distances are simply too great and the ways of transporting to our planet so complex that they simply either couldn't do it and if they were able to do it they would have to be able to live for hundreds of thousands of years and travel at the speed of light to get here.
Then, the other question is - why would they want to come here where they would be likely to be killed by either our environment or our paranoia.
The big problem with using black holes to break the space/time barrier is that black holes are far too dangerous and until someone figures out how to get through them without being wiped out in the first seconds inside them, it's just not possible.
So the conclusion is that despite what people believe about Roswell and Area 57 and the pyramids and Mayan temples, it is highly improbable scientifically that we have ever recently or in the past, been visited by aliens.
That's what these scientists said. For me, I like to think that it's possible to be transported like in Star Trek and go off to visit other planets.
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What strikes me as odd though is;
Why does the space ship look like a 1947 ish model. Like the cars were back then?
Why didn't it have a futuristic make and model?


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