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Rick there's a very interesting History channel program called "how life began" that you might find interesting. I started watching it yesterday but then stopped so I'll go back to it today.
It features not only scientists but clerics as well, all offering opinions on the various stages of how life started on the early planet.
You might be interested to watch it and then tell me what you think.

Another series that started this week, which your History Channel has already screened is "Life After People" I watched the first episode yesterday. I thought it was fascinating.

There's another one too, called "Being Human" we haven't got it yet because it's only been screened now in the US.
You should try to see those and tell us what you think.
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Pastor Rick wrote:

You had me wondering when you stated there were only 3 kingdoms but you then named the 3 Domains instead of the 6 Kingdoms.


Sorry. I know about the plant and animal "kingdoms", etc., so I don't know what I was thinking when I said "kingdom" instead of "domain".

Here's what I should have said in my original post instead:


Life
Domain
Kingdom
Phylum
Class
Order
Family
Genus
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There are only three domains in our current classifications: archaea, bacteria, and eucharya. By exclaiming, "But it's still bacteria!" it's no different than arguing, "But it's still eucharya!" when discussing the relationship between humans and mold, because ]humans and mold are both "still eucharya".

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Rick, bacteria make up a whole kingdom, not just a genus. In the same way, we are in the same kingdom as dogs, rats, snakes, fish, birds.... Obviously, that doesn't fall into the argument of 'kinds'.



I should have said domain instead of kingdom, and could have added various plants and fungi along with dogs, rats, snakes, fish, and birds, since they are all a part of our eukaryota domain.

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I just want to add...

The right sidebar of ]this page lists not just 5 or 6, but 7 families. These families are all within the eukaryota domain, and say nothing about the bacteria or archaea domains.

The sidebar of ]this page lists 5 different phyla within the archaea domain, and ]this page lists a whole plethora of phyla within the bacteria domain.

So my point here is only strengthened. Exclaiming, "But it's still bacteria!" is no different than comparing humans with any species, within any kingdom, within the eukaryota domain.

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Thanks for explaining that Lesa, It's a lot clearer to me now as well.
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You're welcome, MO. emoticon Sorry I screwed it up before. emoticon

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No need to apologize Lesa.
The more I learn about evolution, the more I realize just how terribly unimportant we are in the 'great scheme of things", and I've also realized, that there is no 'scheme' it all just is.
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One could argue that, if we are unimportant, then our universe is unimportant. A few generations from now, or even thousands of years from now, one of your descendants could create the next big bang in a laboratory, destroying our universe and creating a new one... or perhaps multiple universes, for that matter.

If a human doesn't do it and our planet sticks around long enough, a descendant of bonobos or whales could do that, or life on some other planet, millions of light years from here, could do that.

Yes, everything just is, but it is also what we make of it. Each and every one of us is here against astronomical odds, and I want to make the most of it. emoticon

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Sure. I'm not saying we shouldn't make the most of it.
We should, it's the only chance we're ever going to get at life and it should be embraced and enjoyed to the fullest capacity. I'm just saying that there is no 'purpose'. There is no 'great design'. Just get on with taking as much as you can out of it, live every day to its fullest, make the most of every pleasure and do whatever you can to make the hard times go away quickly.
If I were 30 years younger now, with the insight I have now, I would find a way to make money without having to have a fixed placed to live or without a lot of possessions.
I would take my children out into the world to see everything there is to see and let them get as much education as they can without having to live with boring day-to-day routines.
My biggest regret is that so much time was spent in putting up with horrible, demanding bosses, and so little in 'smelling the roses'.
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If I were 30 years younger now, with the insight I have now, I would find a way to make money without having to have a fixed placed to live or without a lot of possessions.


This is my goal for the near future. You know about my online endeavors and other ideas for making money. Lately, I've also put a lot of thought into what I can get rid of and what I absolutely should keep. I'd like to be able to grab all my possessions and go anywhere in the world on a moment's notice, before eventually settling down again.

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My niece did that some years ago Lesa - she was doing freelancing IT and other computer work at the time, as well as practising Reiki and involved with other alternative meds, and she chucked up her apartment, sold all her furniture, and kept minimal possessions. Bought a small camper van and took to the road, with her dog! Travelled the whole country and had a wonderful time, and she was also able to pack a case and go at a moment's notice.

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