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We have no religious instruction in schools, except of course the church schools do have religious classes for their on religion but it's not compulsory like it was in my day.
And all our science classes include only evolution. No science teacher would be allowed to teach creation or 'intelligent design'.
Creation etc, is taught as part of the religious teaching in church schools.
And our school uniform policy forbids the wearing of anything that isn't part of the uniform, so no headscarves and no crosses, if you want to wear them, you have to go to the church school.
We have a 'Indian' school near us, the girls wear white uniforms with and the Muslim girls wear headscarves.

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I rather liked school uniform - firstly because everyone was dressed in the same way, you could easily recognize pupils from another school, there was no competition to out-fashion the next person, and I did feel that it inspired pride in your own school and wearing the uniform made us all conscious of the fact that we were representing our school when we were seen in public.
In our day though, school rules were very much more strict than they are today. We weren't permitted to wear sweaters in winter without a blazer on as well, in public - and we always had to be neat and tidy. No jewellery was allowed at all except for a watch. And definitely definitely no eating or drinking soft drinks (or heaven forbid anything else stronger!!) while walking in the street in uniform or off the school premises.

The school our boys went to had equally strict uniform rules. When a German exchange student came to stay with us for six months at the age of 16 and attended the same school, I bought her a uniform because of course she had to comply with the rules. At first she bucked and kicked and screamed and said it was stupid and she refused to wear it - but of course she had to! Within three days she came back and stated that she thought it was actually a really good thing and she wished they had uniforms back home in Wuppertal.

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I just hate conformity and children being made to look like militaristic clones. And I don't see what hairstyles and show styles have to do with discipline and being able to do schoolwork.
I remember having a row with a teacher from a girls' school when she whined about the girls who came from the townships wrapping themselves up in blankets when they left home at 4 a.m. to get to the school in the winter.
She said all the crap about respecting the uniform and whatever, I told her she was full of it, that children need to be warm before they need to look like little automatons.
I think it's nonsense. I agree with a basic dress code, like Crawfords have, but not with the silly gymslip and black tights and lace up shoes rubbish.
I know some people who are home-schooling their kids, and it happens that I bumped into them on Saturday. The boy has longish hair - far longer than a school would allow and pretend tattoos on his arms. When I chatted to them, I was amazed at how well-behaved and well-mannered the kids were, and how respectful towards him and us. Certainly a lot better behaved than some of the kids we see with their uniforms worn in a way to annoy the teachers.
I think that if kids are allowed a little self-expression in the clothes they wear to school, they actually behave with more respect than when they spend their time messing about with the uniform.
And the fashion-show thing, they do that anyway with the socks and the skirt-folding. Kids will be mean to each other no matter what they wear to school.
Petal, believe me Jeff agrees with you. I'm just a rebel. I hate being told what I have to wear.
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The other day in news there was a story on Swiss teachers who came to see how thing are done here (as Finland has always done very well on PISA tests).
They we're amazed or even shocked by the general lack of order and "discipline". emoticon

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Yes, we have that problem here as well, despite the school uniforms. This is why sensible people choose to home school.
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Unfortunately home schooling wasn't allowed way back when in my school days! But I do think it's a wonderful idea, depending on the characters, personalities, and abilities of the kids concerned, and as long as the children also get to socialize with their peer groups outside of the home environment .. and of course there is the problem of sports participation etc for those children who are also energetic and keen on sport or other extra murals. It's fine for an out-and-out academic but can also make the children under-confident in situations where they have to be with others because it can make them very insular.

All the kids in uniform that are at our local schools seem to conform well to the rules - haven't seen any rolled up waistbands, shorter skirts, rolled down socks etc. They all look reasonably neat and tidy apart from shirts hanging out sometimes which happens anyway.
I'm with Jeff on this one, lol!

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That's ok Petal, we can't agree on everything.
I just hate the whole militaristic element of the school uniform thing.
I remember when I was in matric, we asked for a 'civvies' day and finally the head gave in and said that only the seniors were allowed that one day to dress in their own clothes and of course with provisos about decency etc.
I loved it. I always carried a brief case to school anyway and I've always hated girly handbags etc. So I had a day when I could express myself the way I would dress for the next nearly 40 years of working in different environments.
It was so funny seeing all may classmates dressed in their prettiest party dresses with handbags and so on, I wore my favourite skirt and shirt with high heels, stockings and of course my briefcase. I loved it. I wanted to dress like that forever.
The day I wrote my final exam, the first thing I did was make a huge bonfire of the school uniform.
And then to make things worse, I became a nurse and had to wear a uniform all over again. But that was different because I could grow my nails (to a degree), style my hair and make the uniform look like a designer outfit rather than just the horrible starched overblown thing it was.
At school I used to get sent off to comb out my hair and I was always being lectured about my long nails, hell I hated it. What did my nails have to do with how I did my homework, I could never understand that.
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It would be so boring if we always agreed on everything!

I was also always being called up at daily assembly to go and do something with my hair, which has always been very fine and untamable, so I know how you felt about that one! Short nails never bothered me at school because I played sport and it was easier to handle a hockey stick or a netball etc without long nails.

The only part of the uniform I hated (apart from the dreadful Panama hat!) was the white dresses (exactly like the summer uniform dress but all white) and snoods that we had to wear on Founders Day and for prize-giving and that sort of thing. The dress wasn't the issue - it was the wretched snood that I hated with a passion! And of course I'm talking well over 40 years ago so we also had to wear suspender belts and thick lisle stockings and that was also the bane of my life!!
Tights or pantihose weren't even invented in those days lol ... stockings came in pairs, one for each leg!!

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And the girls who had short hair how did they wear a snood?
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