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What do you think? Is it wrong to speak your mind and lead as you see fit when you were given the job for that very reason?

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job?
A military service is not a job. It's a commitment where one takes an oath to serve their/his country and follow orders without question.
His statements warrant a court marshal. Behavior unbecoming of an officer, even treason.
One of his juvenile statements was that the President seemed intimidated, what a joke! Intimidation? Bashing his boss for publication proves whose intimidated and should be sent up the military stream without a paddle.

Speak his mind?
Speaking his mind to the world is contrary to the oath he took.
That kind of juvenile behavior is not leadership, it's counter productive. You follow orders without question. You do not complain to the world and fan your own ego with belittling statements about your Commander and Chief!
Similar would be a Pastor making belittling statements and complaining about his congregation to the world.

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Similar would be a Pastor making belittling statements and complaining about his congregation to the world.


I think it would be more like a Pastor belittling Jesus, since we are talking about the Commander in Chief. If he can't respect the leader, how can he serve under him?

The congregation would be more analogous to the troops, and belittling them wouldn't be a good thing, either.

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Welcome to TNZ bbeck emoticon

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job?
A military service is not a job. It's a commitment where one takes an oath to serve their/his country and follow orders without question.

Of course it is a job, maybe even a career as in General McChrystal's case. I would cite ][sign in to see URL] as evidence that military service is a occupation promoted as a job and career with pay grades and benefits.
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His statements warrant a court marshal. Behavior unbecoming of an officer, even treason.
One of his juvenile statements was that the President seemed intimidated, what a joke! Intimidation? Bashing his boss for publication proves whose intimidated and should be sent up the military stream without a paddle.

I just finished reading the Rolling Stone article for myself ( to article) and while I find "sources close to..." and "insiders comments" I find not even one quote from General McChrystal where he says any of the things you just mentioned. I am not saying he didn't say any of this, but given that President Obama says he has "always been courteous" and that "he has carried out every order I have given him" I should think we should see actual quotes from the man himself before making such a rush to judgment.



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Now that the desired results have been achieved by person or persons unknown and General McChrystal is no longer in the equation I find the New York Times has issued a "correction" where:
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Correction: June 24, 2010

Because of an editing error, an article on Wednesday about Rolling Stone’s profile of Gen. Stanley A. McChrystal described incorrectly the magazine’s attribution of a quotation about President Obama concerning his first meeting with General McChrystal. The magazine cited unnamed “sources familiar with the meeting” who said that President Obama looked “uncomfortable and intimidated.” Rolling Stone did not attribute that comment to General McChrystal, who resigned as commander of American forces in Afghanistan on Wednesday, or to his aides. - ]news source



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Rick; notice the date and time of my post. My comments are from what I saw on the news before the article was released. I was answering your question that was also posted before the article was released. Now who’s rushing to judge…

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Obama says he has "always been courteous" and that "he has carried out every order I have given him"

That’s nice rick but that’s not what I said. I said “follow orders without question. We’re talking here, I thought anyway, what the whole stink is about, which is the statements he made against the President! You asked what folks thought, I shared my thoughts and you nit pick my response to make me look foolish!
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think it would be more like a Pastor belittling Jesus

Absolutely Lesigner Girl, the church is the bride so when you complain about your congregation you’re complaining about Jesus’ bride. When you complain about what Jesus loves (his bride) you are complaining about him.

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That was what I found most troubling when reading both the Rolling Stones article and the NY Times article. I General was accused of saying things which the "correction" later admits that the General never said!

We were handed a bill of goods that was flat out false by the very people we all depend on to give us the truth when it comes to news.

My experience in the military taught me that is was perfectly fine to question the legality of an order and my superiors always gave me the right to refuse an order which was illegal. To make that determination you always have to listen to the order and understand it. The President's comment is relevant because it shows that the General did listen to and carry out his orders even when the General himself did not agree with those orders.

I am not judging you. I am asking if you agree that something is really fishy in the press when they knowingly misreport the facts at their disposal?

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...perfectly fine to question the legality of an order and my superiors always gave me the right to refuse an order which was illegal.


It was reported at the time that McChrystal belittled the Commander in Chief. Whether this really happened or not, making the comments he is alleged to have said is not the same as refusing to follow an order that you know to be illegal and/or unethical.

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I agree that the tone of the comments that were reportedly said by the General and his staff were potentially harmful to the moral of those under his command but the correction which was issued the day after the General resigned states that neither the General or his staff never said any of it!

So the report was false, the news story was false, and the reasons behind his resignation (as reported) is false. The "correction" prevents the General from filing a lawsuit for slander and/or libel so the press is off the hook and never has to explain why they lied to the American public.

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What do you think? Is it wrong to speak your mind and lead as you see fit when you were given the job for that very reason?



Maybe we need a new topic to discuss media responsibility, or lack thereof, since it has nothing to do with your original question. emoticon

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