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I always say "the more smileys, the better".


Hey Morwen, we agree on something! emoticon That seems to be about it so far, though.

I don't believe there is any other life on any other planets in the entire universe.

Except maybe these guys.
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 emoticon Mel and Mo come to agreement!!!

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Statistically speaking, when you consider the number of planets in the universe, the odds are we cannot be the only "intelligent" (if that is what some would like to call the human species) life in the universe.



I think I lost the plot a bit there. I wasn't agreeing with Mel, or was I? I was agreeing with this comment.

Oh I found the plot, the more smileys, the better. emoticon emoticon emoticon

Now about those aliens. Mel doesn't think there is life out there, Red Ant does, I don't agree with Mel, I do agree with Red Ant. I think it is extremely arrogant to believe that humans with all their greed, violent tendencies, malice and intolerance are the zenith of evolution. Thinking about it, perhaps this is the only planet that has evolved such a flawed species. I do think that there is intelligent life on other planets, I only hope it is more intelligent than these.

 
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I think I lost the plot a bit there. I wasn't agreeing with Mel, or was I? I was agreeing with this comment.

Oh I found the plot, the more smileys, the better.


That scared ya for a bit, didn't it?

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I think it is extremely arrogant to believe that humans with all their greed, violent tendencies, malice and intolerance are the zenith of evolution.


Yeah, I suppose that could be viewed as arrogant, but that is not my belief. There is no species to species evolution, so mankind is not the zenith of it. Had it ever happened, I wonder how such a flawed species could ever have survived as the "fittest." But if they did, wouldn't arrogance be justified?

I hold to the belief that we were created, not evolved, and so it is easy to believe that there is no other life in the universe. Isn't that a lot of wasted space? Not really. Just how enormous would the universe have to be to demonstrate God's infinite power? I think it's just about right, and makes complete sense to me.

If you hold to Darwinian evolution, it would make perfect sense to believe there is life on other planets. I mean, you'd about have to, wouldn't you?


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There is no species to species evolution...


This is a common misconception amongst people who believe the "intelligent design" arguments.

Macroevolution is merely the product of generations upon generations of microevolution, and ring species are a perfect illustration of how this works. Species A can breed with species B, B can breed with C, C can breed with D, etc., but species A can not breed with species M, because they have genetically drifted far enough apart from each other, so that they have become genetically incompatible.

An embryo doesn't become an adult overnight. On the contrary, it takes years for an embryo to gradually evolve into an adult. Likewise, it takes many generations for one species to evolve into another species. With ring species, we get to see the transitional life forms while they're still alive, which is why they are so perfect for illustrating how evolution really works, contrary to the "ape giving birth to a human" misconception.

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Evolution is such a simple concept to grasp that I can't understand by people can't rationally understand it. No one is saying that we had apes as parents or grandparents 5,000 years ago. There was an ancestor whose descendants over tens of thousands of years split into two groups, one group remained in the trees and the other group on the ground learned to use tools to get what they wanted and in making tools, there brains grew larger.
If you can get that concept then you can understand how come baboons and vervet monkeys are far more intelligent say than the monkeys that swing around the forest canopy in South America. It's because once you travel around on the ground there are new dangers and new ways of collecting food so you have to use more of your brain to figure that out. Then it's only natural that your will learn more ways of finding food once you've mastered one way. Of course that is unless you are stopped by a leader who declares that his way is the only way and no new ways will be developed. That is when all learning stops and a species eventually dies out.
There is a current theory that humans are in the process of splitting into further groups in the process of evolution.
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Well, thanks for the evolution lesson, from both of you, but I'm still not buying it. And that wasn't the point.

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If you hold to Darwinian evolution, it would make perfect sense to believe there is life on other planets.





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Not so much evolution, but rather the scientifict(/darwinian) view on the origin of all life, to be exact, is the thing that pretty much makes life elsewhere inevitable. (OK I'm splitting hairs there.)

I wouldn't call evolution "a simple concept". It's an imperfect explanation with flaws the creationists are eager to point out. In many crucial points of evolution a "leap" has to happen, which defies the principles of too simplified theory of evolution.
These things require a not-so-simple explanation of propability mathematics and in some cases geometry.

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In other words science.

And of course it is not a simple concept. A simple concept is that a being woke up one day in the middle of nothing and decided to create another being out of clay. Then when they found the being they created was flawed, they punished that being again and again, but even though they knew the original prototype was not a good working model, they allowed the creation to recreate himself, over and over.

This is the basis of every single creation theory in every single mythology. Some are more complex than others which indicates more intelligent people trying to explain more complex concepts but, basically, they are all the same. A far more simple way of explaining a very complex scientific theory that will still be developing in thousands of years from now.

With religion it is easier to put the whole idea of how we got here behind us and rather spend our time hoping for a chance to be taken from here to something better after this life.

I don't think that believing in a scientific theory is why I believe that life must exist in other parts of the universe. I just believe that it must exist and that belief has nothing to do with my disbelief in a life after this one or a fear of death.
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In other words science.

Evolution has done to science what hypocrites have done to Christianity.

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I don't think that believing in a scientific theory is why I believe that life must exist in other parts of the universe. I just believe that it must exist and that belief has nothing to do with my disbelief in a life after this one or a fear of death.

Well, let me rephrase it then.
If you don't believe that we were created by God, and life somehow just happened by itself, then of course it would make sense to believe this happened on other planets in the universe as well.


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