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Mel is going with the 10 commandments as the rule by which we should live, so I'll give you some more historical perspective:

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4 You shall not make for yourself an idol, whether in the form of anything that is in heaven above, or that is on the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.

5 You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I the Lord your God am a jealous God, punishing children for the iniquity of parents, to the third and the fourth generation of those who reject me,



Erika, you are in trouble here. You have to give up CHiPs.
I have to give up Ewan and Petal, no more talk about Sean. These modern-day idols are getting in the way of a vengeful God who is 'jealous' and who will 'punish you and your children and grandchildren and their children as well.

Now if you have a group of nomadic camel herders, worshipping the sun, a piece of gold, the moon, anything that gives them comfort or makes it rain so that their meagre crops will grow, and you happen to be the priest who lives off whatever these people can provide for you, what better way to keep that control than to tell them that their great-grandchildren will be punished if they pray to the sun rather than the with whom this priest has a special relationship. Just imagine what would happen to his cushy life if suddenly a prayer to the sun should cause the effect the people are looking for. So control the superstitions of the great unwashed, and you can keep your cushy life.

Then looking at this wording. How come the Catholics made 'envy' a deadly sin, if the god they worship is jealous of the attention the people give to the other gods, as I keep saying inane.
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No, stepping on an ant is not considered murder. Animal sacrifice is not considered murder. Killing during war is not murder either.
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mur·der (mûr'dər) n.
The unlawful killing of one human by another, especially with premeditated malice.



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But if there is only one god, who is Jesus?

He is God in the flesh. This is the doctrine of the Trinity - Father, Son and Holy Spirit.
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the Gnostics said "Jesus is God's creation". If you accept the Gnostic view, that immediately negates the idea of workshipping one God.

Gnosticism is an ancient heresy that is still around to this day.
But, if Jesus is not God, then we are still in our sins and under wrath. You cannot pay your own fine - for the wages of sin is death. No one else can pay it for you, because they've got their own sins to deal with. Scripture tells us that salvation is of the Lord, and that He will not share His glory with another. Thus, if God created a being to take on our sins for us, He would have to share His glory, and salvation then, would not be of the Lord, but of one of His creatures.
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So who is God, Jehovah or Jesus?

What about the Holy Spirit? You would have to study some on the Trinity. It is a difficult concept to grasp, and if someone were to just "make up" something like this, I would think they would have made something simpler to understand.
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Then the whole 'land of Egypt thing' is bullshit,

Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it was once thought that the Hitite empire mentioned in the Bible never really existed either. But then, evidence was found, and it turned out that the Bible was quite accurate on that point.
Wait patiently, and it will be revealed. In the meantime, I'll put my faith in the Lord.

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God forgives us our sins. If not then I am going to hell. because I know I have sinned.


Me too. But the question is, what is required from us for this forgiveness?

Hebrews 10:26-27
If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God.


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I don't believe in hell so I don't think any of us will end up there!

Whether or not we believe, does not change the truth. I could "not believe" in gravity, step off a tall building, and I would fall, whether I believed it or not.


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Thanks for them hugs.
I have just unsubscribed from this thread sorry.
But just one thing.. Give up my CHiPsemoticon... errm Not ever going to happen. emoticon It has given me so much joy in my life, a life when I never had much else. So NOPE. emoticon

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Mel I think you have seriously upset Erika by your comments and I think she deserves an apology at least.

And Erika, never give up your Chips! More hugs. xx

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6 but showing steadfast love to the thousandth generation of those who love me and keep my commandments.

7 You shall not make wrongful use of the name of the Lord your God, for the Lord will not acquit anyone who misuses his name.



I can only tell my family story to 5 generations, and there are billions of people on earth and there will be billions more to come, and a lot don't even know who their fathers are, so how the hell is anyone going to count 1,000 generations. If he is so busy counting the generations and bringing them good stuff, then there must be very few good people on the planet because we don't see much of the bounty and in case anyone is working this out at 33 years to a generation, we are looking at 33,000 years. Excellent, we are not going to see the 'End of Days' in our lifetimes.

Don't take the name in vain, which name? everybody here is guilty of that one if `Jesus is God.

And Mel I know about the HG , just haven't got around to blowing that one out of the water, but seeing you've brought it up. 3 gods? What happened to the "I am the only god" rule, Conveniently some nonsense is made up about all are one. That is not possible, a thing cannot be three and still function properly and if all are one, which part is which? and why bother with three names and which name is it not ok to 'take in vain?'
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Well, if Erika is no longer in this thread, I don't know if my apology will be read by her.

But let her know, I by no means meant to upset anyone, and never did I say she should give up her CHiPs.

I am sincerely sorry if I've offended or upset her, and I'm not really sure why she feels that way. I am open to discuss it, but will leave her alone if she'd rather not.

This is the same message that has been proclaimed for the last 2,000 years, and it's based on the Bible.


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Thanks for them hugs.
I have just unsubscribed from this thread sorry.
But just one thing.. Give up my CHiPsemoticon... errm Not ever going to happen. emoticon It has given me so much joy in my life, a life when I never had much else. So NOPE. emoticon



Please don't go away from here Erika, I'd rather talk to you about CHiPs anyway than bother with all this nonsense anyway.

And hugs from me too.
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Thanks for the PM Mo.. Im here, it was the other thread that upset me anyway, so don't worry, i mean different people think about things in different ways, and if they don't like what people say then opt out of the thread which is what I did, but the PN still came inemoticon .
Besides this board is for this kind of thing isn't it, so please don't mind me.

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8 Remember the Sabbath day and keep it holy.

9 For six days you shall labour and do all your work.

10 But the seventh day is a Sabbath to the Lord your God; you shall not do any work—you, your son or your daughter, your male or female slave, your livestock, or the alien resident in your towns.

11 For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but rested the seventh day; therefore the Lord blessed the Sabbath day and consecrated it.



This needs special attention.
It distinctly says 'for six days' it doesn't say which six. So if you want to work from Wednesday to Tuesday in one week, and rest the following Wednesday, and then work for another 6 days, and maybe one extra, what harm is there. It doesn't say which day and it doesn't say you're not allowed to work for 8 or 10 days, what is says that on the day that you take your rest, everybody else has to rest as well. Now imagine a group of wondering nomads trying to figure out how to count the days or how many days they've worked and in extreme cold weather when days and nights run into each other, how do people without calendars even count the days. I know I often wake up and have to think about what day of the week it is, and I have clocks and calendars and a whole bunch of computers and tvs to remind me. But in the desert, worrying about how I'm going to feed a huge bunch of people taking a break, yes absolutely, I am going to keep track of which day it is and how many days I worked and didn't work.
Obviously the person who wrote this didn't have a clue about cows. You cannot, not milk a cow, it will die. You have to milk cows twice a day every day, so what about the day that you don't work, too bad, cow has to get mastitis rather than bring down 1,000 generations of wrath on your head.
And then the day of worship. Sun worshippers did their praying on Sunday, the Sun's day. Christians did their worshipping on the Jewish Sabbath = Saturday and the worshippers of the Eastern religions on other days.
Constantine, who Christians claim was the person who made the Empire into a Christian state, he was a sun worshipper. How do we know this, because he got so pissed off with his soldiers taking all sorts of days off to worship that he declared that everybody will do their worshipping on Sunday - the Sun's day and that is recorded in history and is accepted by the Church, not his motives, those are denied, and in the denial it is said in honor of the resurrection, but in history, we know he was a sun-worshipper because of this declaration and the evidence of eye-witnesses.

So another nonsense law.
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I've also been worried about you Erika - mostly I've been reading a lot here but once in a while I have something to say, and when defending my friends I get very determined. Please don't go!

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