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12 Honor your father and your mother, so that your days may be long in the land that the Lord your God is giving you.



What if your mother and father are missing. What if your mother and father are worthless rubbish, or child abusers or your father regularly rapes you? Do you still have to 'honor' him? So that you can live for a long time where? In the 'Holy Land"" what if you don't live in Israel? This is nonsense. respect is earned, if you want your kids to 'honor' and respect you, then you firstly have to respect yourself and behave honorably, then they won't have to be told to honor you.

[quote13 You shall not murder.

    14 You shall not commit adultery.

    15 You shall not steal.



Murder, adultery, and stealing. Please - it actually says 'kill' not murder? Murder is just morally wrong, psychologically a 'normal' person would find the act of murder revolting anyway. We are not programmed to murder, so this is irrelevant. But killing is a different matter altogether and there is a huge difference. It doesn't say kill what, it just says kill, therefore killing an animal to eat it is also wrong. So we're all sinning every time we enjoy a steak - yummy.
Adultery - a mentioned this before - is subjective and perfectly excusable under some circumstances and I'll debate these in another thread.
Stealing: I would steal to feed my starving children. if I had starving children. I would steal to help other starving children. Stealing in this instance was to control the sort of behavior that we have here where anything that is not nailed down and even things that are nailed down are fair game to the marauders around us.
This one also doesn't apply in some circumstances.

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16 You shall not bear false witness against your neighbour.



Refer to the thread about lying elsewhere in this board for a discussion about lying.

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17 You shall not covet your neighbour’s house; you shall not covet your neighbour’s wife, or male or female slave, or ox, or donkey, or anything that belongs to your neighbour.



Another ridiculous one for this day and age. When a youngster saves his money to buy a new car, or to go on a trip, or if I love something I simply have to have in a shop window, is this sinful. Then we are all sinners every time we see a pair of shoes we simply have to have.

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It distinctly says 'for six days' it doesn't say which six.

Yes, it does, it says the 7th day, the Sabbath. However, Col 2:16 takes this away, as it's been fulfilled in Christ.
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And then the day of worship. Sun worshippers did their praying on Sunday, the Sun's day. Christians did their worshipping on the Jewish Sabbath = Saturday and the worshippers of the Eastern religions on other days.

No, read your Bible, Morwen. (Acts 20:7, 1 Cor 16:2 ) The early Christians often met on the first day, the day of the resurrection. But no matter, Col 2:16 reveals that the Sabbath was fulfilled in Christ, so you can worship on whatever day you wish.
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What if your mother and father are missing. What if your mother and father are worthless rubbish, or child abusers

What if, what if. You still honor the position as parents. If they're any kind of parents at all, none of these things would come up. But if they're breaking the law, then that should be dealt with accordingly.
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or your father regularly rapes you? Do you still have to 'honor' him?

Well, according to you, that would depend on the law of the land. Didn't you state that rape could be ok, depending on where you lived? I would see rape as wrong, ALWAYS.
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Murder, adultery, and stealing. Please - it actually says 'kill' not murder? Murder is just morally wrong, psychologically a 'normal' person would find the act of murder revolting anyway.

Depends on the translation - look into the orignal word in a Strong's Concordance for the proper meaning.
Where does an atheist get their morals from? Isn't it from the law of the land that you keep telling me about? What if your government decided it was ok to murder? Would it then be ok for you, or still revolting?
 
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We are not programmed to murder, so this is irrelevant. But killing is a different matter altogether and there is a huge difference. It doesn't say kill what, it just says kill, therefore killing an animal to eat it is also wrong. So we're all sinning every time we enjoy a steak - yummy.


The word is murder, and we've already went over the definition of it.
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Adultery - a mentioned this before - is subjective and perfectly excusable under some circumstances

And I've already answered it in that same thread, and it is never excusable.
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Stealing: I would steal to feed my starving children. if I had starving children.

And it would still be wrong. Get a job to feed your children.
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This one also doesn't apply in some circumstances.

It always applies.
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Refer to the thread about lying elsewhere in this board for a discussion about lying.

Already been there, I agree with Free when he said, "Lying is ALWAYS wrong."
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Another ridiculous one for this day and age.

Yes, coveting is a trait we all look for in determining good character, isn't it? This one usually comes before stealing or adultery, and then lying follows to cover it up and well, you just end up in a big old mess. Look where it all started - with coveting.


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Yes, it does, it says the 7th day, the Sabbath. However, Col 2:16 takes this away, as it's been fulfilled in Christ.



Please tell me where Jesus took away the commandment against shrimp.

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Leviticus 11:9-12 (KJV)

9 These shall ye eat of all that are in the waters: whatsoever hath fins and scales in the waters, in the seas, and in the rivers, them shall ye eat.

10 And all that have not fins and scales in the seas, and in the rivers, of all that move in the waters, and of any living thing which is in the waters, they shall be an abomination unto you:

11 They shall be even an abomination unto you; ye shall not eat of their flesh, but ye shall have their carcases in abomination.

12 Whatsoever hath no fins nor scales in the waters, that shall be an abomination unto you.



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Way past my bed time, sorry I didn't get in here tonight, looks like a topic I'll have to comment on for certain.

Lesa, it is OK to eat shrimp and lobster now,

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Acts 10:11-15
And saw heaven opened, and a certain vessel descending unto him, as it had been a great sheet knit at the four corners, and let down to the earth:
Wherein were all manner of fourfooted beasts of the earth, and wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls of the air.
And there came a voice to him, Rise, Peter; kill, and eat.
But Peter said, Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten any thing that is common or unclean.
And the voice spake unto him again the second time, What God hath cleansed, that call not thou common.


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Yep, that's a good one. And it's also in the verse I already mentioned regarding the Sabbath.

Colossians 2:16
Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a new moon celebration or a Sabbath day.





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It distinctly says 'for six days' it doesn't say which six.

Yes, it does, it says the 7th day, the Sabbath. However, Col 2:16 takes this away, as it's been fulfilled in Christ.
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And then the day of worship. Sun worshippers did their praying on Sunday, the Sun's day. Christians did their worshipping on the Jewish Sabbath = Saturday and the worshippers of the Eastern religions on other days.

No, read your Bible, Morwen. (Acts 20:7, 1 Cor 16:2 ) The early Christians often met on the first day, the day of the resurrection. But no matter, Col 2:16 reveals that the Sabbath was fulfilled in Christ, so you can worship on whatever day you wish.



The commandment does not[\b] say 'seventh day of the week'. It says 'seventh day'. Then go on to read the rest of what I have to say about counting days. The whole actual day worship was put in place by priests, not by God (if you believe there is a god of course). And when Constantine declared the Sun's day as the day of worship, the Christians in his army were still worshipping on Saturday. He changed it officially and not for the religious reasons that Christians believe. All the ideas of the early church came from paganism - Pontifex Maximus became the Pope, vestal virgins became nuns, and so on.

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What if your mother and father are missing. What if your mother and father are worthless rubbish, or child abusers

What if, what if. You still honor the position as parents. If they're any kind of parents at all, none of these things would come up. But if they're breaking the law, then that should be dealt with accordingly.
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or your father regularly rapes you? Do you still have to 'honor' him?

Well, according to you, that would depend on the law of the land. Didn't you state that rape could be ok, depending on where you lived? I would see rape as wrong, ALWAYS.


Don't put words in my mouth, I didn't say that rape was ever right. It is wrong to force anyone to do anything they don;t want to do especially if that thing you're doing invades their personal space, and involves violence. I said that it is not regarded as wrong in some places on earth. Learn to read my posts properly.
I would not honor a dishonorable person, even if I knew for a fact that dishonor would harm me. For instance during Apartheid I was extremely dishonorable towards the Nationalist government.
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Murder, adultery, and stealing. Please - it actually says 'kill' not murder? Murder is just morally wrong, psychologically a 'normal' person would find the act of murder revolting anyway.

Depends on the translation - look into the orignal word in a Strong's Concordance for the proper meaning.
Where does an atheist get their morals from? Isn't it from the law of the land that you keep telling me about? What if your government decided it was ok to murder? Would it then be ok for you, or still revolting?
 
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We are not programmed to murder, so this is irrelevant. But killing is a different matter altogether and there is a huge difference. It doesn't say kill what, it just says kill, therefore killing an animal to eat it is also wrong. So we're all sinning every time we enjoy a steak - yummy.


The word is murder, and we've already went over the definition of it.


Murder is ok when your family is being attacked. Believe me if it was either Giv's life or some person breaking into my house, I would murder the intruder. But I will stress again, a mentally healthy person cannot murder another - there is no question about this, and there are more than enough studies to prove this.
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Adultery - a mentioned this before - is subjective and perfectly excusable under some circumstances

And I've already answered it in that same thread, and it is never excusable.
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Stealing: I would steal to feed my starving children. if I had starving children.

And it would still be wrong. Get a job to feed your children.
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This one also doesn't apply in some circumstances.

It always applies.
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Refer to the thread about lying elsewhere in this board for a discussion about lying.

Already been there, I agree with Free when he said, "Lying is ALWAYS wrong."
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Another ridiculous one for this day and age.

Yes, coveting is a trait we all look for in determining good character, isn't it? This one usually comes before stealing or adultery, and then lying follows to cover it up and well, you just end up in a big old mess. Look where it all started - with coveting.


You covet a new car every time you buy one, otherwise why would you buy it. If you were content with any old jalopy, you could pat yourself on the back for that one. You have obviously never seen starving children in a land where there are no jobs. And you have obviously not read Dickens. So judge not so that you may not be judged.
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To conclude and I really won't budge on my analysis of these ridiculous laws made by priests to protect themselves in a place where ignorant people outnumbered the ones with a modicum of education, lying is not wrong, it is not wrong to tell someone you truly love that they look ok when they've gone to a lot of trouble to dress up and you really don't like their outfit. To me a white lie is less than hurting a friend's feelings.
And clothes don't count in my book anyway, friendship does. And it is Ok to lie when the people you are lying to are lower than snakes' bellies.
Lying is also ok when you're a politician and you want to win a high place in government, because being a liar is part of the requirement for high office. That has always been the case and always will be. The book you keep throwing at me is full of lies, talking snakes, talking bushes, words engraved on stones by non-existent beings. As I said earlier, people with a little education have always used lies to control the ignorant among them. And it is still happening today, people who honestly believe the book is the truth perpetuate the lies every time they throw the words around. So don't tell me that lying is wrong, you do it all the time, in my opinion, and that of a whole lot of other well-educated people.
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The commandment does not[\b] say 'seventh day of the week'. It says 'seventh day'. Then go on to read the rest of what I have to say about counting days. The whole actual day worship was put in place by priests, not by God (if you believe there is a god of course). And when Constantine declared the Sun's day as the day of worship, the Christians in his army were still worshipping on Saturday. He changed it officially and not for the religious reasons that Christians believe. All the ideas of the early church came from paganism - Pontifex Maximus became the Pope, vestal virgins became nuns, and so on.

I’m not Catholic, Morwen. The Bible says the early Christians met on the first day of the week.
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Don't put words in my mouth, I didn't say that rape was ever right.

Oh, my mistake.
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I said that it is not regarded as wrong in some places on earth. Learn to read my posts properly.

And you also said that your morals come from the “law of the land.” What am I supposed to think?
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Murder is ok when your family is being attacked.

That wouldn’t be murder. Yet it would be killing. They are different words.
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Believe me if it was either Giv's life or some person breaking into my house, I would murder the intruder. But I will stress again, a mentally healthy person cannot murder another - there is no question about this,

Hmmm, interesting.
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You covet a new car every time you buy one, otherwise why would you buy it. If you were content with any old jalopy, you could pat yourself on the back for that one.

Sigh. Let me give you a link I think you will find very helpful.
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So judge not so that you may not be judged.

Have I really judged you, or have I asked you to judge yourself? I’ll have to start a topic.
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To conclude and I really won't budge on my analysis of these ridiculous laws

I know you won’t. But it doesn’t mean that they’re wrong.
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lying is not wrong,

Ok then, we’ll just have to disagree on that one. I’m glad to know that you feel that way, though.
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The book you keep throwing at me is full of lies,

Then it should be ok in your view, right?
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So don't tell me that lying is wrong, you do it all the time,

Lying is wrong. Yes, I’ve lied before. And it’s still wrong.


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The commandment does not[\b] say 'seventh day of the week'. It says 'seventh day'. Then go on to read the rest of what I have to say about counting days. The whole actual day worship was put in place by priests, not by God (if you believe there is a god of course). And when Constantine declared the Sun's day as the day of worship, the Christians in his army were still worshipping on Saturday. He changed it officially and not for the religious reasons that Christians believe. All the ideas of the early church came from paganism - Pontifex Maximus became the Pope, vestal virgins became nuns, and so on.

I’m not Catholic, Morwen. The Bible says the early Christians met on the first day of the week.
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I was analysing the commandment not the New Testament. So stick to the subject. It says 'six days' and on the 'seventh day' and then read what I said about day counting - and read it without the New Testament or religious bias, read it logically.
 
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Don't put words in my mouth, I didn't say that rape was ever right.

Oh, my mistake.


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I said that it is not regarded as wrong in some places on earth. Learn to read my posts properly.

And you also said that your morals come from the “law of the land.” What am I supposed to think?
{quote] I didn't say my morals come from the law of the land, I said I obey the law of the land, again read without bias towards religion. My morals are none of your business.
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Murder is ok when your family is being attacked.

That wouldn’t be murder. Yet it would be killing. They are different words.
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Believe me if it was either Giv's life or some person breaking into my house, I would murder the intruder. But I will stress again, a mentally healthy person cannot murder another - there is no question about this,

Hmmm, interesting.


Do you have any training in psychology, I don't think so. Read up some psychology on the ability to kill and you will see that I am right. This is why it is wrong to put killers to death, they are not mentally 'healthy' and therefore should not be punished but should be treated by a mental health practitioner. But this is a subject for another thread. I am sure that I am correct when I say that you believe that the death penalty is right, and that it is not 'killing' or 'murder', but as I said that is a subject for another thread.

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You covet a new car every time you buy one, otherwise why would you buy it. If you were content with any old jalopy, you could pat yourself on the back for that one.

Sigh. Let me give you a link I think you will find very helpful.
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I don't need a definition of covet I know that it means to desire something you can't have or that doesn't belong to you. The car in the showroom belongs to the person who is going to sell it to you, therefore when you drool over it, that is being covetous, nothing wrong with that, I covet some of those gorgeous men on Manopolis too, and unashamedly, but then I don't believe in sin.
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So judge not so that you may not be judged.

Have I really judged you, or have I asked you to judge yourself? I’ll have to start a topic.

I interpret all your proseletysing as judgment so don't pretend that you don't think you're holier than the res of us and that you see us as sinners needing conversion to your particular brand of insanity.

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To conclude and I really won't budge on my analysis of these ridiculous laws

I know you won’t. But it doesn’t mean that they’re wrong.
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lying is not wrong,

Ok then, we’ll just have to disagree on that one. I’m glad to know that you feel that way, though.
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The book you keep throwing at me is full of lies,

Then it should be ok in your view, right?
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So don't tell me that lying is wrong, you do it all the time,

Lying is wrong. Yes, I’ve lied before. And it’s still wrong.



If lying is still wrong, then stop perpetuating the lies contained in that book. You believe it is possible to turn water into wine, and you believe it is possible for a hand on the head to heal leprosy, I should introduce you to our Minister of Health, she believes that eating garlic and beets will cure AIDS.
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