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Morwen Oronor
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Re: The 10 Commandments
Ok then if all things are possible with God, please make me walk again without pain, and I might believe you. If you are a true believer, you should have a direct line to him.
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9/3/2008, 1:45 am
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Kaunisto
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Re: The 10 Commandments
Which division of commandments do you all use? It's often a bit confusing in movies etc. that we (lutheran) seem to be one off in numbers.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/10_commandments#Division_of_the_Commandments
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9/3/2008, 2:19 am
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Petal Alderin
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Re: The 10 Commandments
Basically there are ten usually accepted Kaunisto.
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9/3/2008, 2:22 am
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Morwen Oronor
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Re: The 10 Commandments
Kaunisto, I copied both from Wikipedia, and they seemed similar enough for me to make my point, I really am not inclined to got to the trouble of counting them, the gist is there.
quote: No, read your Bible, Morwen. (Acts 20:7, 1 Cor 16:2 ) The early Christians often met on the first day, the day of the resurrection. But no matter, Col 2:16 reveals that the Sabbath was fulfilled in Christ, so you can worship on whatever day you wish.
This is very interesting, because from history we know that Constantine declared Sunday, the Sun's day to be the day for all his soldiers to do their worshipping and we know that the Council of Nicaea was held in 325 which is when the management of church matters was handed over to the Church's Council. What your quote proves to me as a historian is that Corinthians was written after that date. and it is verified by the second Scripture quote. Thank you you've proved another point of mine and that is that the New Testament was in fact written by the Catholic Church to validate the religion they took over and formalised.
Woohoo.
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9/3/2008, 5:11 am
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Order ofMelchizedek
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Re: The 10 Commandments
quote: Kaunisto, I copied both from Wikipedia, and they seemed similar enough for me to make my point, I really am not inclined to got to the trouble of counting them, the gist is there.
The Catholics divide them differently than the Protestants and the Jews, but the text is all there - Exodus 20:1-17. Lutherans might use the Catholic division of them, I'm not sure.
quote: This is very interesting, because from history we know that Constantine declared Sunday, the Sun's day to be the day for all his soldiers to do their worshipping and we know that the Council of Nicaea was held in 325 which is when the management of church matters was handed over to the Church's Council.
What "history" books are you reading, Morwen? Do you put as much faith into those as I do my Bible? I wonder which object of our respective faiths is more worthy - no, actually, I don't wonder at all.
quote: Ok then if all things are possible with God, please make me walk again without pain, and I might believe you.
No, no you wouldn't believe. Besides, why on earth would God do anything more for you than He's already done? Every breath you take is a gift from Him. He's provided evidence of His existence, and given you every good thing, yet you deny His very existence!
quote: If you are a true believer, you should have a direct line to him.
God is not a magic genie waiting for His creation to summon Him for their bidding. You might be mixing up Christianity with paganism.
--- Lord, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I’m not scared 'cause You’re holding my breath.
I only fear that I don’t have enough time left, to tell the world that there’s no time left. -G1C
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9/3/2008, 10:34 am
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Lesigner Girl
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Re: The 10 Commandments
quote: Rick said:
Lesa, it is OK to eat shrimp and lobster now,
quote: Acts 10:11-15
That's right, I forgot all about Peter's dream while he was taking a nap on the rooftop, right before Paul's messengers showed up. Thanks for the reminder, Rick. It was supposed to be a way to tell Peter that it's ok to spread the message to Paul, when it wasn't ok for the gentiles to hear it before... or something like that, if memory serves correctly.
Are you sure it was also meant literally and not just figuratively, though? If so, then how?
I just love discussing the fine points in literature.
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9/3/2008, 7:57 pm
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Kaunisto
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Re: The 10 Commandments
I was just curious which numbering system is used in what countries, as there was recently on TV some movie called Sixth Commandment and the Finnish title was Fifth Commandment.
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9/4/2008, 2:16 am
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Morwen Oronor
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Re: The 10 Commandments
The nuns used to make us recite them, let's see what I can remember:
1. I am the lord they god who brought thee out of the land of egypt out of the house of bondage, though shalt have no other gods before me.
2. do not make unto thee any graven images ...blahblah blah
3. Thou shalt not take the name of the lord they god in vain......
4. Remember the sabbath day to keep it holy and so on
5. Honor they father and thy mother that thy days may be long etc.
6. thou shalt not kill
7. thou shalt not commit adultery (although the nuns failed to explain what that meant.
8. thou shalt not steal
9. thou shalt not bear false witness
10. thou shalt not covet.
I think that's the story they made us learn.
Looking at Wikipedia, here, they show the catholic version, I don't see the idolatry thing, is this a problem with catholics and their statues and icons. I don't know enough to comment about that.
But an interesting thing here too about Ancient History and the statues, the Romans used to have statues of their gods all over their houses so you can see the link between them with the church. Interesting. I thought.
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9/4/2008, 4:59 am
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Morwen Oronor
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Re: The 10 Commandments
I don't see any difference in the text though between Genesis and Deuteronomy. Are you saying that the text was altered to exclude the idolatry bit. Then what else has been altered? I thought that the Bible I was taught from was the one and only Word of God and unalterable. Even if it is translated over and over again, the words do not alter their meaning?
I'm not being facetious here I need to know when is it ok to remove an offensive bit?
Also I went to a Dominican Convent, a very strict order, they would have taught us exactly what it said in the King James version which is the one they were using at that time.
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9/4/2008, 10:37 am
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