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So ... Science and the Bible?


Many people believe that the Bible and science cannot agree. Well, that's not exactly true, and although the Bible is not considered a science textbook, there is some amazing stuff in there.
Check out the scientific facts that have been found in the Bible, for anyone who is interested. I found these in the the Evidence Bible emoticon
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Only in recent years has man discovered that there are mountains on the ocean floor. This was revealed in the Bible thousands of years ago. While deep in the ocean, Jonah cried, "I went down to the bottoms of the mountains..." (Jonah 2:6 ). The reason the Bible and true science harmonize is that they have the same Author.


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If, down through the ages, Scriptural principles had been applied during epidemics such as the Black Plague, millions of lives would have been saved. Long before man understood the principles of quarantine, the Bible spoke of the importance of isolating those who had a contagious disease and of disinfecting their houses. See Leviticus 13 and 14.


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"Science can only be created by those who are thoroughly imbued with the aspiration toward truth and understanding. This source of feeling, however, springs from the sphere of religion. To this there also belongs the faith in the possibility that the regulations valid for the world of existence are rational, that is, comprehensible to reason. I cannot conceive of a genuine scientist without that profound faith." -Albert Einstein






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Why don't I just make it easy and post a link to where I refuted this at my board. Mo, I'm sure you probably have the same exact thread at your board where you've refuted it as well.

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Those who want to refute it, will do so. But I invite everyone who comes across this with any interest at all, to read it and decide for themselves.
As some atheist friends of mine would say, "never stop thinking."

So, here's another one.
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The Scriptures say, "thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them." (Genesis 2:1) The original Hebrew uses the past definate tense for the verb "finished," indicating an action completed in the past, never again to occur. The creation was "finished" - once and for all. That is exactly what the First Law of Thermodynamics says. This law (often refered to as the Law of the Conservation of Energy and/or Mass) states that neither matter nor energy can be either created or destroyed. It was because of this Law that Sir Fred Hoyle's "Steady-State" (or "Continuous Creation") Theory was discarded. Hoyle stated that at points in the universe called "irtrons," matter (or energy) was constantly being created. But the First Law states just the opposite. Indeed, there is no "creation" ongoing today. It is "finished" exactly as the Bible states.





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Anyone who wants to read my refutations can read the "Science and the Bible" thread he posted at Illusia more than two years ago.

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Lesa we don't allow religious discussions on Anything Goes because I don't want to offend Iris who is very dear to me and who has a very deep belief in her faith. She doesn't preach to us but always has something uplifting to say when one of us is feeling down, so out of respect for her, we don't really discuss this.
On the Political Forum, I thought I could allow religious debate but it simply descended into people coming over only to preach and proselytise, so I've stopped that as well. To be perfectly honest, the whole subject bores me. Those who believe are not going to even read anything that might threaten their belief and those who don't believe do so because they have examined the alternatives and found that there was nothing there for them.
So no, we haven't discussed this at all except in a post Petal made on Friday about Creation being introduced into Science classes, which I refused to respond to because it's just eh same old nonsense over and over again.
I'd rather discuss religion from the viewpoint of their similarities and what it is that makes people believe the same thing but from a different standpoint but again, the people who believe aren't interested in hearing another standpoint, their minds are closed to anything but the one belief system that has been burned into their brains.
For me. Without making any study of the Bible particularly, but from the point of view of all ancient literature, each written work has made some attempt to explain natural phenomena from their point of view.
Heorodotus, for instance expressed a theory of the origin of the Nile Floods and of course we are all familiar with Archimedes and Hippocrates theories of scientific phenomena. So that the Bible has a few observations that may be interpreted as being 'scientific' is not at all surprising.

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Not everyone will be interested. Some will find refutions against it. Others will find it interesting. But it won't change anyone's presuppositions.
So, read it or don't. Discuss it if you enjoy this kind of thing.
More from the Evidence Bible

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I've removed the long quote due to recent controversy over this issue.
But there is much information at the link above regarding scientific facts in the Bible, as well as many other common objections, questions and answers. I would highly recommend the Evidence Bible to anyone who seriously wants to study the subject.
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Greetings Mel, I don't mind quotations from The Evidence Bible and if the translation used is really the KJV then I don't mind a long quotation with little content by way of exegesis on your part. The appearance of large sections of notes and commentary from The Evidence Bible without at least a equal amount of exegesis from you in your own words though appears to me as a violation of the "fair use" provision of USA copyright law and if true would also place you in violation of this boards TOS. Please, the last thing I want is for this board to be shut down due to the corresponding violation of the Runboard TOS so if you could please post the copyright info for The Evidence Bible I would be very appreciative . Once I have that I can advise you on how to use the materials in a way which does not raise this potential violation of the law. bPlease/b do not post any more excepts from the Evidence Bible here until I have looked at the copyright restrictions for the notes and commentary present in this work. Thank for your understanding and God Bless

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Technically, I could have suspended Mel's account a long time ago for his apparent copyright violations at other boards. For some reason, the thought never occurred to me before, but I would be more quick to suspend the account of the violator, than to shut down a whole board where the violation is unwelcome. Of course, any board that's owned by the violator would have to be suspended as well, at least until the personal account is unsuspended.

That said... Mel, please post in your own words from now on. Short quotations are fine, but for it to be considered fair use under copyright law, you need to follow those quotations up with your own analysis of the content. Worse than getting a single board shut down, I would hate for someone to take legal action and shut down all of Runboard because its global admins allow such violations of the law, and I have no intention of letting that happen.

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Check your PM, James. This really should have been handled that way from the beginning, don't you think?


Ok, Lesa, check my board, and any other place I've ever been. If this is an infringement, suspend me.
I certainly wouldn't want to be in violation of the law, and I don't believe that I am. But you do what you need to.



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I already know that you made such posts at my board two years ago, Mel, and I have seen this same exact thread with your long quotations at other boards as well. But the past is the past, and all I'm saying is to refrain from doing that in the future.


Edit: As for James handling this via PM, it is good to let people know where the administration stands, to prevent others from making the same mistakes in the future.

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