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You know how cars have rear view mirrors and side mirrors and the side-mirrors have little miniature side-mirrors. Well, I think Mel's blinkers have blinkers with little blinkers on.
The sad thing is that people like this miss out on so much that is wonderful about being alive.
Imagine spending your entire life waiting for a second act?
The first act is the greatest gift imaginable and having qualified to be awarded that gift you had to fight a life and death battle to be the one that reached the egg that sparked that life. So having won that battle, to then spend that entire life waiting for the next one, what a waste of a life and life's gifts.
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I'm not going to drag this argument on.

Christianity was founded by the Catholic Church, (don't argue with me about this, I'm the one with the First in Ancient History here) and until the Reformation it was the only church in the west and all protestant religions are based on the teachings of the Catholic Church.



It's not urgent from my pov and I definitely don't have the time this morning (have to leave for church in about 30 minutes). However, this is a huge misconception on your part Mo and I have my First in Christian History so I would love discussing this if you don't mind emoticon



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Sorry Rick, you are right, Christianity existed before the Catholic Church but all the formats and the assembly of the Bible and the holidays were formalized by the Church. I think that was what I meant to say in the moment of anger. I apologize.
Yes, the concept of Christianity does predate the formal church.

Where's the white flag smiley.
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Christianity was founded by the Catholic Church, (don't argue with me about this, I'm the one with the First in Ancient History here) and until the Reformation it was the only church in the west and all protestant religions are based on the teachings of the Catholic Church.

I don’t know what you’ve got, but a proper understanding of Christianity is not in the mix.
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Adolf Hitler was a Christian, He called Jews "Christ killers" and used that as the reason to incite the Christians of Germany, and the lands he conquered, to murder.


Well, you’re no expert there. He also said, “National socialism and religion cannot exist together. The heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of Christianity. Bolshovism is Christianities illegitimate child, both are inventions of the Jew. The deliberate lie in the matter of religion was introduced into the world by Christianity. Let it not be said that Christianity brought man the life of the soul, for that evolution was in the natural order of things.” 07-11-41 from Hitler’s Secret Conversations 1941-1944 published by Oxford University Press

Here are some more quotes from the same source:

“Christianity is a rebellion against natural law, a protest against nature. Taken to it’s logical extreme, Christianity would mean the systematic cultivation of the human failure.” 10-10-41

“The best thing is to let Christianity die a natural death. When understanding of the universe is become widespread, Christian doctrine will be convicted of absurdity. Christianity has reached the peak of absurdity, that’s why some day it’s structure will collapse. The only way to get rid of Christianity is to allow it to die little by little. Christianity, the liar, we’ll see to it that the churches cannot spread abroad teachings and conflict with the interests of the state.” 10-14-41

“The reason why the ancient world was pure, light and serene was that it knew nothing of the two great scurges – the pox and Christianity.” 10-19-41

“Christianity is an invention of sick brains. One could imagine nothing more senseless nor any more indecent way of turning the idea of the Godhead into a mockery. When all is said, we have no reason to wish that the Italians and Spaniards should free themselves from the drug of Christianity. Let’s be the only people who are immunized against the disease.” 12-13-41

“There is something very unhealthy about Christianity.” 04-09-42

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Maybe he didn't go to 'church' but the men who were the officers of the camps, held Sunday services and worshipped the same gods you do.

No way. I believe the quotes above prove what Hitler really thought about Christianity. It would seem that he held a view of it quite similar to your own.
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These people were not murdered by atheists they were murdered by politicians and they were seen as political criminals, what you are talking about was not a 'holy' war, it was political. There is a huge difference.

Not so much. People are dead because they believed. Martyred because they’re Christians.
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But just as a matter of interest the pogroms in eastern Europe against the Jews were carried out by Eastern Orthodox Christians.

Wrong again. Back to the mouse in the cookie jar.
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To get back to the Catholic Church all the crimes of the Inquisition and when Mary burnt Protestants at the stake in Britain, it was in the name of God.

Where is it condoned in the Bible? Many people do many things in the name of religion, it doesn’t mean they’re Christians.
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When the Inquisitors poured pork fat on their victims to cause them to roast in the fire of the Inquisition they were doing it in the name of God.

So, if I were to kill someone in the name of Morwen, people should blame you?
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I have yet to see hear of an atheist killing another person because they believe in God. It doesn't happen. An atheist may kill someone because their politics are different, or because he ran off with his girlfriend, but not because he believes in God.

It happens all the time. My previous stats stand. Your atheists have killed more people in the past few decades than all religions have in the past 2,000 years.
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You're fighting a losing battle here. I've had decades of debating the reasons for religion, the benefits of religion, the philosophy of religion, the history of religion, and so on under my belt.

Yet, with all that, you lack knowing Jesus Christ.
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You are not going to change my mind.

I wouldn’t expect to. God alone converts the soul. And there comes a time in your rebellion, when He turns you over to your sins and hardened heart, and you can no longer repent, turn to Him and be saved.
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Rabbis, nuns, priests, DRC ministers, Anglican priests, teachers, husbands, lovers, parents have all tried unsuccessfully to move my disbelief.

And all of those have shown more love for you than you have shown others by misleading them in your path to destruction.
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I won't apologise for that because going to the church is your choice, but I can guarantee you will never have to answer to a "Higher Authority" for my perceived 'sins'.

Well, you’re right about that part. For it is written.
Ezekiel 33:8-9
When I say to the wicked, 'O wicked man, you will surely die,' and you do not speak out to dissuade him from his ways, that wicked man will die for his sin, and I will hold you accountable for his blood. But if you do warn the wicked man to turn from his ways and he does not do so, he will die for his sin, but you will have saved yourself.


And again, you show your lack of knowledge in the very basics of Christianity.


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Sorry if I took your words as being sarcastic - the written word as I've said before, is differently interpreted from the spoken one sometimes, because emphasis is read into it.

Not a problem, Petal.
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Okay - if that's the way you want it, from now on I'll not bother to read or reply to any of your posts on religion - and since that means all of them, I guess that's it.

Do what’s best for you, completely your decision.


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If you have enough of a brain to read and comprehend what someone has said, then use what you have read to form your own opinions. But he doesn't do this, it's just copy some long bull**** he reads, paste it here and then wait for MO to attack it and when she's attacked it, 'smite' her.

I have not “smited” you, Morwen. You’ll have to look to someone else for that one. And this particular “copy and paste” has generated some interesting discussion.
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This is not the behaviour of someone who believes in the philosophy of Jesus but rather someone who sees themselves as God's representative on this board, sent to bring us all into the fold and thereby save us from perdition and in my opinion is about as far from being a Christian as you can get.

You have no idea of the philosophy of Jesus or what a Christian even is. That’s been demonstrated beyond any doubt in your venomous posts on anything even remotely touching on the subject.


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You have no idea of the philosophy of Jesus or what a Christian even is. That’s been demonstrated beyond any doubt in your venomous posts on anything even remotely touching on the subject.




That was mean spirited and beneath you Mel.


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Yes, I agree jinzi.

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I think it's funny in view of the fact that I've just had some recognition of my knowledge on the subject. Never mind, I'm sure he's very happy in his own little world.
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That was mean spirited and beneath you Mel.

And what I was responding to was not?
I get tired of self-professed unbelievers telling others what they think is "Christian", when they do not know Christ.




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I've considered your criticism, and stand by what I've posted.

I have been chastised for my "proselytizing" from members here, I have been told in no uncertain terms that "preaching" is hated, and that I should stop it, I have been told that no one will read or respond to my posts, I have been called mean, arrogant, ignorant, and narrow minded because of my beliefs. I am called intolerant because I believe that Christianity is the only way, and that Scripture is inerrant.

Now these same people are going to tell me what a Christian is, and how one should act, while rejecting the very concept in their own lives? And you're going to defend that assertion, Jinzy?

Forgive me if I don't take that advice as seriously as you'd like.


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