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Hmmm, questioning is good. Have you looked for Biblical answers, and also looked at evolution with the same skepticism?

Many don't dig and research, they pick which one they like better and then accept the ideas that back their belief, while rejecting those that don't, with little or no research. I'm not saying that you do this, I'm asking.

I will admit that I go off of the presuppositon that God exists - obviously, as can be seen in my posts. emoticon




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See I started out life with the presupposition that God existed. We had to do research, and write up a paper saying why we believed, before we could "accept" the church. I also had to memorize the twenty-four "Articles of Religion" or basic statements of belief. These Articles of Religion were taken from the Thirty-Nine Articles of the Church of England—the church out of which the Methodism movement began—and had been the standards for preaching within the Methodist movement.
Which is why this takes place when the child is ready to
accept the church.....
But as I grew, I asked questions........why, if we as United Methodist believed in the obligation to bear a faithful Christian witness to Jesus Christ, the living reality at the center of the Church’s life and witness, and to fulfill this obligation, we were supposed to reflect critically on our biblical and theological inheritance, striving to express faithfully the witness we make in our own time.
Then why did be not follow the words in the bible to the "letter" so to speak......why instead did we break off and follow those twenty-four "Articles of Religion" made up out of the clear blue by some regular ordinary man called John Wesley??
Same for the Mormons, why do they believe the "words" of some man named Joseph Smith, that the Gospel of Jesus Christ, was restored on the earth and even call him the Prophet??
And yet even the bible says, things like:
"Vengeance is mine saith the Lord!"

 "for it is written, Vengeance is mine; I will repay, saith the Lord." (Romans 12:19)

 God did not say vengeance is ours. He said vengeance is His. If we wanted to be on the receiving end of God's blessings and favors, we have to truly understand what it means to give it completely over to the Lord.
And yet you want to tell me why in the name of Jesus Christ, Catholic priests mounted an enormous effort to kill all "heretics" in Europe and Britain?
 Heretics being defined whichever way Rome wanted it defined; it ranged from people who disagreed with official policy, to Hermetic Philosophers [Black Magic Practitioners], to Jews, to Witches, and to the Protestant reformers.

I mean even Jesus even told James and John:
"You do not know of what sort of spirit you are, for the Son of Man did not come to destroy men's lives, but to save them from the penalty of eternal death." [Luke 9:55-56]
 
Let me repeat that.... most pertinent phrase: "the Son of Man did not come to destroy men's lives".

And yet the "supposedly" the greatest followers of the bible, whom today encompass the POPE himself did exactly that......and many, many Priests ALL OVER THE WORLD have done almost as horrible things, to this very day!

And so you wonder WHY I question this "faith"? Why my HEART turned away from the lies they were telling......."Do as I say, not as I do"......BS??

Sorry, but it's much easier for me to say we.....as in life on this planet started out as some wee bit of cosmic stuff......that slowly evolved into what we are....and a few of us "humans" made up the bible, as they went along to explain......things that were back then, unexplainable, scary and to keep the lesser of the learned under control.....that is easier to believe than we were miraculously made, placed on this perfect planet, we split up into hundreds of sects, screwed up the planet, killed in this "GODS" name.....in every one of those broken off religions, wrote and rewrote this "Bible".....each religion taking from it only the parts they wanted to follow, and each religion interpreting the bible as they wanted.....
No thanks.....I'll take the big bang theory over that story anytime. They are both, after all only stories made up by different types of people...I'll take the scientific people. For some reason its easier for me to wrap my head around that....


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I agree with you Queeny.

And another thing I don't get is that Christians believe in a God, Muslims believe in Allah, etc etc - whose "god" is right?

If Allah and the Christian God are one and the same, along with all the others, then howcome one man's freedom fighter is another's terrorist?

This God must be sitting up there having fun pitting one lot of believers against another all the time ...

I'm starting to think more and more that the Bible is a legend, a fairy tale, interpreted differently by different denominations and sects in order to serve their own ends.

Why don't all Protestant denominations believe the same things? Why do Roman Catholics believe differently, and worship a statue of Mary instead of God - what about not having idols?

Why are there so many evil sects in the name of religion such as David Koresh, Jones, and many others?

Religion causes more trouble than anything else imo.

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With that last post of yours Petal, I have to agree with you one hundred percent.

There are more wars and even personal disagreements between individuals caused by religion then any other cause!


Maybe all we are is just an experiment someone, ("God") has conjured up and confined us in a huge petri dish just to see what humans would do!

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Or perhaps "Humans" are just another type of animal, striving to survive. Using our brains to use and abuse other animals....either for food, clothing, shelter or as slaves to do our bidding.....we are just a smart animal who evolved into something that can understand "Manipulation"...

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Then why did be not follow the words in the bible to the "letter" so to speak......


Yeah, you’d think, huh? So many claim that it’s the very word of God, yet don’t follow it. So, what do you think? They’re either insane, or they don’t truly believe it. But just because there are hypocrites within an organization, does not mean the whole thing is false. I am convinced that hypocrisy is not a Christian thing, it’s a human thing. They’re everywhere, including the Church!
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Same for the Mormons, why do they believe the "words" of some man named Joseph Smith, that the Gospel of Jesus Christ, was restored on the earth and even call him the Prophet??

Well, Mormons are a cult, they are not Christian. They do not hold to the core beliefs of historic Christianity. And although they like the label of “Christian” these days, Joseph Smith claimed that all denominations were corrupt and that was why he started a new one. He wouldn’t have wanted to be lumped in with Christians.
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God did not say vengeance is ours. He said vengeance is His. If we wanted to be on the receiving end of God's blessings and favors, we have to truly understand what it means to give it completely over to the Lord.


This is true, and it’s very difficult in some circumstances.
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And yet you want to tell me why in the name of Jesus Christ, Catholic priests mounted an enormous effort to kill all "heretics" in Europe and Britain?


Many great Christians were killed by the Catholic church. Again, I would differentiate between Catholic and Christian.
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Let me repeat that.... most pertinent phrase: "the Son of Man did not come to destroy men's lives".


He didn’t, He came as a sacrifice that men might be saved. And there is no other name under heaven by which a man might be saved.
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And yet the "supposedly" the greatest followers of the bible, whom today encompass the POPE himself did exactly that......and many, many Priests ALL OVER THE WORLD have done almost as horrible things, to this very day!


Hypocrites and power hungry men who are not following the Biblical teachings. They will face God in judgment for their thoughts and deeds upon this earth.
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And so you wonder WHY I question this "faith"? Why my HEART turned away from the lies they were telling......."Do as I say, not as I do"......BS??


Good points to be sure. And "Do as I say, not as I do" is not found in the Bible anywhere. But these are men using religion for their own gain. These people are still out there, too, whether it’s certain Catholic priests or false teachers like Benny Hinn or Peter Popoff.
However, in order to discount Christianity on that basis, you’d have to find what they’re doing given in Scripture, but in fact, you’ve pointed out that what these bad examples are doing is actually contrary to Scripture.
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No thanks.....I'll take the big bang theory over that story anytime. They are both, after all only stories made up by different types of people...I'll take the scientific people. For some reason its easier for me to wrap my head around that....


Well, the “scientific” part could be debated. There is no evidence that life ever comes from non-life, or that one kind of animal ever turns into another kind.



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And another thing I don't get is that Christians believe in a God, Muslims believe in Allah, etc etc - whose "god" is right?


Well, look into them. The Bible tells us there is idolatry and false gods. You’d have to study.
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If Allah and the Christian God are one and the same, along with all the others, then howcome one man's freedom fighter is another's terrorist?


They are NOT one and the same. A quick look at the basic fundamentals of each would prove that.
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I'm starting to think more and more that the Bible is a legend, a fairy tale, interpreted differently by different denominations and sects in order to serve their own ends.


It’s true that people have used it in that way in the past and continue to do so today, but just because Scripture is misused does not necessarily make it untrue.
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Why don't all Protestant denominations believe the same things?


They generally hold to a few basic fundamental truths found in the Bible or they are not Christian. The differences should not be doctinral.
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Why do Roman Catholics believe differently, and worship a statue of Mary instead of God - what about not having idols?


Catholics claim that they don’t worship Mary or statues, but I’m with you. I don’t know what else to call it. You’d have to get a Catholic to try to clear that up for you.
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Why are there so many evil sects in the name of religion such as David Koresh, Jones, and many others?


More of those false prophets that Scripture warns us about.
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Religion causes more trouble than anything else imo.


Oh, I agree with you there, too. Religion is a man made thing and has caused much bloodshed and trouble. Christianity teaches something quite different, however.


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There are more wars and even personal disagreements between individuals caused by religion then any other cause!


There’s only one cause of more bloodshed and death than man-made religion, and that’s atheist communist regimes, which have slaughtered 100 million people.
In China an incredible 72 million were murdered, in the Soviet Union 20 million, Cambodia 2.3 million, North Korea 2 million, Africa 1.7 million, Afghanistan 1.5 million, Vietnam 1 million, Eastern Europe 1 million, Latin America 150,000.

However, the full implications of atheism won’t be seen until the Day of Judgment, when those who profess to be atheists and therefore ignore God’s mercy will lose their most precious possession, their very life.


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    And yet the "supposedly" the greatest followers of the bible, whom today encompass the POPE himself did exactly that......and many, many Priests ALL OVER THE WORLD have done almost as horrible things, to this very day!


Hypocrites and power hungry men who are not following the Biblical teachings. They will face God in judgment for their thoughts and deeds upon this earth.



And how then do we know that you are not one of those silver tongued, snakes......who whispers promises for favors given or bangs a pulpit preaching hell fires to they're own purposes.....
I guarantee that not one child who was molested, by a CATHOLIC priest, nor they're parents or any of they're church members had that horrible thought even 'cross' they're minds......they BELIEVED every word that came out of the mouths of those who profess to LOVE them...
What proof do we have that you my friend are not a wolf in sheep's clothing, professing your love of your GOD....getting people to be swayed into believing your calling......are not one and the same as those child molesters and murders.....obviously they have no issues with what will happen to they're soles.

Yes there are monsters in every shape and size and in ever walk of life.......but most do not have millions of followers being asked to follow this way of life based solely on a book, that has no proof of it's origins other than the fact that MEN said "GOD" said these things, and that MEN wrote on papyrus leaves or handed down by word of mouth or carved Commandments into stone......

How do we know you are not the so called DEVIL or Cast out Angel, Satan or any of those names that society has placed upon this creature.....would not the DEVIL sound as though he loved his followers, his family......his 'sheep', in order to gain they're confidence???

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OH MY GOODNESS QUEENY!

Maybe the man really believes what he is saying. And you cant fault him for that!

Someone once said that if you tell someone something enough times, he is going to believe it true or not!

Obviously Mel is a person who has studied the bible from one end to other. And he has made his own assesment of what is being said there. And there are many good points that he has made about it.

I would not put him down quite so soundly or viciously.

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